[EpicEng]

>or take a significant productivity hit and opt-out of mobile email, chat, and docs.

I'd call that a quality of life improvement. Why are contractors required to be available 24/7? I've never experienced that as a contractor, nor would I agree to it.

[dleslie]

And this is why I do not have any access to work accounts on my phone.

If it's so important that it must be done during my personal time then my manager can call me and request as much.

Remember pager duty and overtime pay? Doesn't that seem quaint now that many people seem to have accepted that they must make themselves available at all times?

[Joe-Z]

>Remember pager duty and overtime pay? Doesn't that seem quaint now that many people seem to have accepted that they must make themselves available at all times?

I'm too young to remember, but I have a few years of working experience under my belt now. The amount of people that greenlight everything a supposed authority demands of them just baffles my mind. I'm not even mad if a company tries to maximize their gain on the expertise that I bring to the table. That's just the game: You work for what's in your best interest, I work for mine. But when you push back against a perceived worsening of workplace conditions and the people not supporting you are your colleagues, because they somehow see themselves as being on the same side as the boss... I'm kind of sad about the social achievements people are willfully throwing away in the hopes that they themselves will 'make it' one day

And by the way, this is coming from someone who loves his job and has a good relationship with his boss. Doesn't mean I have to be delusional about what's going to happen when push comes to shove

[oncalleng]

Google does pay employees for time spent on-call outside of normal work hours. On-callers for services with tighter SLOs get payed more.

[PopeDotNinja]

I put work Slack on my phone, but that's it. Maybe 2FA stuff as needed.

[bussierem]

>I put work Slack on my phone

This instantly qualifies you as "available 24/7"

[PopeDotNinja]

It does. I work remote and off hours, and my phone doesn't blow up to much, so I roll with it for now.

[neves]

They can freely choose to stay unemployed

[EpicEng]

Incredibly insightful, thank you. We all know how hard it is to find a programming gig these days.

I'm not convinced you have any knowledge of how things actually work in Google, but my point is that you can give me a ring if something requires immediate attention. If you don't provide a company phone I'm not using mine instead.