[icelancer]

...no?

[sneak]

Why would VPN providers be excluded from national governments' internet surveillance systems? If anything, I'd think they'd get extra scrutiny.

[Razengan]

How can we verify that?

[icelancer]

You can't generally prove someone isn't beating their wife.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

[Razengan]

When the concern is our privacy and secrecy, isn’t it better to err on the side of caution than trust naively?

What if it were a matter of health? Should we trust before verifying? Would it still be a “loaded” question?

[matt4077]

By that logic everyone and everything is corrupt, monitored, etc. Including the hardware you might install your own VPN node on, all messenger apps, all phone lines, the mail, and so on. Your best friends are all spies. Your bedroom is bugged.

That would mean there is absolutely no way to improve your privacy and you might as well do nothing.

[Razengan]

By your logic you should trust every ad on the web, click on every flashing button, and eat or drink every thing any random stranger offers you.

No? Oh is there a line?

[ta999999171]

I was with you until your second paragraph.