[vips7L]

Makes sense. The tornadofx hello world is pretty minimal too:

    class HelloWorld : View() {
      override val root = HBox(Label("Hello world!"))
    }

    class HelloWorldApp : App() {
      override val primaryView = HelloWorld::class
    }

I've bee conflicted in my research on choosing Tornado or default JavaFX

[thomascgalvin]

I'm waiting for Tornado to support Java 11+ before I jump on the bandwagon. It's getting closer[1], but it's still not production ready, from what I can tell.

[1]: https://github.com/edvin/tornadofx/issues/899

[vips7L]

Well I guess that makes it easier. I'd rather write Java than Kotlin anyway.

[thomascgalvin]

Really? That's the first time I've ever heard someone say that. What is it about Kotlin you don't like?

[vips7L]

I just like Java. I know it well and mainly don't have issues with the problems kotlin is trying to solve. The main benefits I see of kotlin are coroutines (coming to java with project loom) and nullable reference types (which isn't a deal breaker for me).

I also don't enjoy functional programming, I find that it quickly becomes unreadable and kotlin is a weird mix between FP and OOP.