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by president 2391 days ago
> The gamble has not failed. It just takes longer.

Sure, and if you give a monkey with a typewriter infinite time, he'll eventually write Shakespeare. The point is, we made the bet 50 years ago and China has only become less free and more totalitarian. How much longer are you willing to wait? If you keep the status quo, you'll just be strengthening the iron-grip of the anti-democracy-at-all-costs CCP party.

> Take Hong Kong as an example, nobody would image such pro-democracy would happen at such a massive scale.

I've only ever heard this line from the CCP propaganda media and biased pro-Beijing people. For most of the world it was a given.
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deepVoid 2391 days ago
> 50 years ago?

Can you provide any link or evidence that you made the specific bet 50 years ago?

> Sure, and if you give a monkey with a typewriter infinite time, he'll eventually write Shakespeare.

Only impatient and ignorant monkeys think it takes several years to change 1.4 billion people.

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president 2391 days ago
> Can you provide any link or evidence that you made the specific bet 50 years ago?

US relations with China began in the 1970s during the Nixon administration. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon%27s_1972_visit_t....

> Only impatient and ignorant monkeys think it takes several years to change 1.4 billion people.

It's a matter of willingness, not time. If Xi can create a system to surveil and restrict the free speech of 1.4 billion people in less than 10 years, I'm sure he can create a system of Democracy in even less time than that.

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deepVoid 2391 days ago
> US relations with China began in the 1970s during the Nixon administration.

US started diplomatic relationship with China, in order to fight USSR, not to put a bet. USSR was by far the bigger threat and the US and China had a common enemy.

> If Xi can create a system to surveil and restrict the free speech of 1.4 billion people in less than 10 years.

Have you not learned a thing in your whole life? Changing 1.4 billion people's ideology is way way way harder than building a surveillance system.

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president 2391 days ago
Do you think it's easier to put someone in a prison or to let them out? Have a little faith in the Chinese people :)

EDIT: I think you missed my point but I think I should leave you with your rose-tinted glasses on.

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deepVoid 2391 days ago
Exactly. :) Those bureaucrats are holding back the 1.4 billion lovely people. We need to differentiate the people from the CCP. The people love the US and freedom. I am proud of the people in Hong Kong. They are fighting for their own freedom harder than ever.
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