[leon_]

> There are lots of programmers out there who do a fine job, they are just clueless about security.

Yeah, there are lots of mechanics out there who do a fine job. They are just clueless about breaks ;)

Stupid analogy aside: If you as a programmer who develops stuff for production are not aware of rules like "NEVER EVER FUCKING TRUST ANY USER INPUT" then you're just wrong for the job.

[iPadDeveloper]

I don't agree because I work in the industry.

Some are programmers who manage the User Database. They deal with all user accounts data. But they aren't the same guys who are responsible for server security.

I'm talking Enterprise Apps that support tens of thousands of users.

[pavel_lishin]

This guy was responsible for everything, being the sole developer.