[bigpumpkin]

I think it's reasonable to stick with what YC knows best: Startups in the US. Perhaps this will be an opportunity to use the capital that would've been directed to China for American startups.

I am also encouraged they are still funding Chinese companies and have a nuanced approach to China in this highly politically charged environment that reminds me of McCarthyism.

[harimau777]

Can you explain how opposition to China's human rights violations are comparable to McCarthyism?

[bigpumpkin]

Oppositions to China's human rights violations does not equal to a blanket opposition to cooperation or involvement with all things Chinese. Doing so only highlights a biased view that is highly prevalent in our government today that is precisely reminiscent of McCarthyism.

Indeed one does not need to look far for such sentiments:

"The Chinese aren’t smarter than we are. They don’t work harder than we do.

They CHEAT." -Lindsey Graham

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/11664531583082086...

"At one point during the dinner, Trump noted of an unnamed country that the attendee said was clearly China, “almost every student that comes over to this country is a spy.” " -Donald Trump

"FBI Is 'Harassing' Some Chinese Citizens Says Academic Group" https://www.wvxu.org/post/fbi-harassing-some-chinese-citizen...

[harimau777]

I think that those who oppose companies doing business with China do not do so because they believe that the Chinese people themselves or Chinese culture (by which I mean their history, language, religion, art, etc. as divorced from the government) are bad.

Instead I think that they believe that doing business in China implicitly supports the Chinese government by failing to make a statement and by making the government more successful economically. That is basically the same idea behind a government implementing economic sanctions.

There is also the issue that in some cases doing business in China means actively supporting the actions of the Chinese government; e.g. by engaging in censorship.

Finally, I think that there is a perception that Chinese industry "cheats". This could include stealing intellectual property, requiring foreign corporations to partner with Chinese corporations, and asymmetry in the ability for foreigners to integrate into and be accepted by the culture. In the same way that working as a scab at a company with unfair labor practices could be good for the scab but bad for workers as a whole, a corporation doing business in China despite these issues could be viewed as prioritizing individual profit over the common good.

I'm not necessarily saying that I agree with all of these points in all situations. I'm just trying to show that people do have legitimate points that don't boil down to McCarthyism.

[peteretep]

You appear to be deeply misinformed about what the term McCarthyism means.

[tomnipotent]

Mc·Car·thy·ism: "A campaign or practice that endorses the use of unfair allegations and investigations."

No, he's not deeply misinformed. Perfect example is the ridiculous spying bullshit that SuperMicro was accused of earlier this year.

[erikpukinskis]

That’s not a great definition of Mccarthythism. Here’s one off the top of my head:

”A political movement reaches great enough support that it can paint its minority opposition as persona non grata. Then they make even mere association with opposition into a crime against the State and force employers, housing authorities, and other institutions to block such ”sympathizers” access to their work, homes, and assets.”

But I am not a historian.

[arcticfox]

> Perfect example is the ridiculous spying bullshit that SuperMicro was accused of earlier this year.

Everyone, from the general public, to corporate America, to the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, raked Bloomberg over the coals for that story. If anything, I think that's a sign that McCarthyism is hardly in play here.

[peteretep]

You appear to have copy-pasted this definition from a blog article, and then added bullet points between the syllables to make it look more official. Yikes!

A real dictionary will show you that McCarthy-esque allegations are specifically treasonous.

[tomnipotent]

> You appear to have copy-pasted

Wikipedia pretty much defines it the same way: "McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence."

> specifically treasonous

Treason is one small dimension, use as a rhetorical device to make the real villain stand out - accusations without evidence.

[killface]

get back to beijing with the report, let us know what new marching orders are.