[kick]

I think I know a handful of men who'd disagree with you on the idea of the state not taking things (like privacy) that don't belong to them is "ludicrous"...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Actually, if you go through the Declaration of Independence, everything said about King George...basically applies to now. A lot of it directly applies to Assange.

And that's not even getting into the Constitution.

[roywiggins]

Assange isn't American, isn't on American soil, and people in his position have been fair game for surveillance for approximately the entire existence of America.

George Washington personally ran a spy ring: https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/the-revolution...

[kick]

It says that all men are endowed these rights by a creator, which doesn't imply that nationality has anything to do with those rights. George Washington was the worst of the Founding Fathers, and didn't write the Declaration of Independence.

[roywiggins]

The declaration says there's a right to "Life" and every one of the founders fought a bloody revolutionary war.

I don't think it makes any sense to read the Declaration as a pacifist document.

[77pt77]

Which one was the best in your opinion?

[cma]

Jefferson refused to recognize Haiti as an independent republic.

[Jach]

Does it? It didn't really apply then either: https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/1776-hutchinson-strictures...