[saganus]

I think the point is that there are other app stores in other platforms, so monopoly rules don't apply.

Their app store is their monopoly, sure, but if you don't want to use Apple products you are not barred from using other cellphones and app stores.

This is different than, e.g. saying that there is a monopoly with the electricity provider. If you don't want to use company A for that, you have absolutely no access to electricity at all.

The question is instead, I think, if after some size, companies wield so much power that they should be regulated as if they were monopolies, just because of the sheer amount of people that depends on their services.

But that's a whole other can of worms and a different discussion than "Apple is a monopoly"

I.e. the term "monopoly" has a very specific legal definition which is not met by whatever behavior Apple is having.

Does that make it ok? not necessarily and the nuance is debatable. But the fact is that as per the current definition, it's not a monopoly.

[bogwog]

> as per the current definition, it's not a monopoly.

That's why I said they should be regulated...because they currently aren't. When anti-trust laws were being written, software walled gardens weren't a thing. They should be updated for modern times, since the App Store is basically its own industry. It brings in tens of billions of dollars in revenue every year, which is more than the GDP of some countries.

[jachee]

And Apple built it from the ground up. It's their hardware. They control what runs on it.

iOS isn't great software (ok, "good software" for 13) in a vacuum. It's inherently, inextricably tied in with Apple's world-class hardware; and vice versa as well. To allow unfettered access to both is a risk to users, whose trust in Apple has been built up over more than a decade.

It's not a monopoly. It's an experience.

[a1369209993]

> the electricity provider

I think the point is that there are other electricity providers in other areas, so monopoly rules don't apply.

Their electric service is their monopoly, sure, but if you don't want to use company A electricity you are not barred from buying a house somewhere else, with a different electric service.

This is different than, e.g. saying that there is a monopoly with the app store. If you don't want to use Apple for that, you have absolutely no access to iPhone software at all.

[saganus]

For me at least, I think the effort and expense of buying a house and moving elsewhere is quite a bit higher than using another phone/app store.

However I do understand that for a lot of people, moving from Apple to Android (and vice versa) is not as easy or straightforward to do, and thus why perhaps the discussion should be about regulating those companies that hold so much power, as if they were a monopoly. That doesn't make them a monopoly by current definitions though.

[DaiPlusPlus]

Another analogy might be that Comcast don’t have a monopoly on Internet service in an area because you can always use dial-up or tether through your phone.