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> Don't take this as trash-talking, though. I simply want to get things done, not fight my environment.

I think people don't understand just how badly C++ is broken in reality (vs conceptually) until their paycheck is tied to a real, years-old, multi-developer C++ project. It is not trash talking, it is pointing out truths.

It goes well beyond "any long-lived project has its issues." I think you and I (and many others) know that it is much larger than this, it is a fundamental issue with the language, the standards body surrounding it, and the mess of toolings.

This persists today because C++ is often used to bridge a performance gap between scripted languages and C among younger programmers and academics. (Admit it: we all like that sweet sweet dopamine hit when we take our Python to C++ and the syntax is almost the same.) But that slight performance boost and that "hey this looks like Python but it's really C++" feeling are soon demolished by the accretion of unresolved issues which have enumerated ad-nauseum on HN, including this article.

I've been working with C++ since 1993 (I got a big Borland C++ Compiler as an intern plus 12 VHS tapes of Bjarne himself explaining the language)... my experience with C++ continues right up to today as a contractor having to deal with Arm mbedOS (even Keil struggles to manage hypersensitivity, GNU is a trainwreck for embedded C++) and Tensorflow/OpenCV... and C++ has yet to shake off its flaws. In fact, I think it has added to them exponentially.

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Yep, I am in full agreement with your points. Especially this:

> It goes well beyond "any long-lived project has its issues."

I heard this mantra as a justification for bad coding practices likely 500 times.

I appreciate that C++ still drives a lot of our virtual world but that's more a proof of the tenacity of those programs' creators than the virtues of C++ itself. IMO it's time tools like `ripgrep`, `dua` / `ds-cli` (both calculate directory contents' sizes) to become the norm: Rust tools, multicore friendly, insanely fast, and with no quirks and weirdly interacting CLI switches.