[madhadron]

Do you think that figuring out vim is a good use for people who are probably time limited anyway and are trying to build useful skills? Using a vi clone is a lifestyle choice, not an employable skill. Frankly, so is nano or anything else that asks them to abandon the skills they may have developed for navigating their computing environment.

[rgoulter]

Computers are hard. Websites are complicated.

Learning vim is more of an obstacle than using Notepad++ and FileZilla would be.

As a beginner, you know only enough to pass by. You can do a lot with just passing by, so long as you don't bump into places you can't get yourself out of. "Just enough command line and vi to edit a file" is a bit magic, but plenty of the other stuff involved is going to be as opaque.

I think the skillset of "learn how to write websites in a short time" is going to involve some level of "here's this stuff I have to do in just the right way" anyway.

[sbmthakur]

I think it depends on the situation. In my case, learning Vim was quite beneficial as I had to maintain servers along with backend development. For any frontend development, starting with a modern IDE will be any day faster than Vim.

[ptah]

being able to edit files on a remote server is not an employable skill? most unix servers will have vi or vim as lowest common denominator editor

[lightgreen]

Learning vim is 1% of skills at most. If these people can’t really afford to learn vim, how can they can learn I don’t know, React or Django.

(I think Vim is employable: being able to quickly edit a file in any Unix-like environment is very helpful. But that’s off topic.)

Anyway, if nano is not good enough there are hundreds of other decent editors available. My point is: “VS Code is good because vim is hard” is a very weak argument. VS Code is good, no doubt. But if it a teacher forces students to use Vim, and students have problems with Vim, then the problem is not in lack of VS Code.