[mgbmtl]

As a Canadian, random examples: Indifference to violence, hypocrisy on nudity, monetizing privacy (no respect for privacy), monetizing medical care.

(I don't mean to start a flame war, but they are topics where EU and Canada tend to disagree with major US trends)

[dang]

Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. This is insanely off topic and can't end well.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[mgbmtl]

sorry :)

[hervature]

As a fellow Canadian can you expand on this?

Canada has been involved in every war that the US has been in my lifetime (born in 1993). Don't know what you mean on hypocrisy on nudity, but I only became comfortable with it when I visited Scandinavia when I was 22; seems like Canada has a similar issue.

I'll maybe give you medical care, but this is an incredibly complex topic. To think that public health care isn't monetized is a naïve point of view.

Somehow, the only thing that the Canadian government has done differently than the US is that it has convinced its people that it is not the US. That's my honest opinion.

[mgbmtl]

Violence: We have very different gun control laws, and general perception towards guns and violence. In my kid's primary school, they weren't even allowed to pretend-shoot at each other. Whereas I have to remind my US friends to leave their gun at home if driving to Canada (and yes, one of them had their gun confiscated at the border).

Medical care monetisation: sure there is a big private industry, but it's scales different than in the US. And it did not say that it does not exist, only that we tend to disagree on the trend (ex: pharma insurance, now deployed in some provinces, and likely to become federal).

Nudity: granted, I'm from Quebec, it might be different, but things like nipples, breastfeeding, nudity in art, being naked in locker rooms, seeing friends naked (non-sexually), etc. people tend to be much more indifferent about nudity and more comfortable with their body. Obviously, that's a huge generalization and perhaps anecdotal, but I heard this often.

Ah, and I guess with regards to violence, is our difference in free speech: hate speech is not permitted (with exclusions for religious groups, because of LGBT issues, iirc).

Again, these are what I think are non-aligned trends, and topics that have an impact on moderation/algorithms online, not a hard truth. Obviously not everyone agrees on these topics, some regions are more divided than others, and these views tend to evolve in time.

[rchaud]

> Canada has been involved in every war that the US has been in my lifetime (born in 1993).

Canada was not party to the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

> Somehow, the only thing that the Canadian government has done differently than the US is that it has convinced its people that it is not the US.

Canada did not suffer a financial crisis to the extent that the US did in 2008 because banks here are regulated very differently than in the US. Also, the likelihood of medical bills causing financial ruin is much lower here.

[hervature]

> Canada was not party to the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

That's what is reported. I highly suspect JTF2 was involved since the beginning. This directly proving my point of the government misleading the people.

[0] - https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/02/war-crimes-in-the-da...

[ishjoh]

> Canada has been involved in every war that the US has been in my lifetime

Since the US is Canada's largest trading partner, this will always be the case, but there are huge and important differences in the level of involvement. Famously the level of involvement in the Iraq war was almost non-existent. Canada's involvement consisted of patrolling surrounding waters, and approximately 100 Canadian soldiers who were embedded in American forces as a sort of culteral military exchange[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War

[hervature]

Link from my sibling comment:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/02/war-crimes-in-the-da...

[whatshisface]

Major US trends, but are people shilling on Reddit to support them? That's an honest question, I don't really read Reddit. I know there are a lot of people in the US who honestly believe in, say, private healthcare, so a lot of the comments in support of it could be explained as coming from Americans expressing their opinions, as opposed to government or corporate agents pushing an agenda.

[mgbmtl]

I guess there can be a lot of influence in a discussion based on how comments are upvoted, how algorithms will favour one type of content over another? (especially when advertising is guiding it all, and lobbies are big advertisers)

I enjoyed this article: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a9335/upvote...

I also rarely visit Reddit, but for Facebook and Twitter, I guess there has been plenty of research on how people can manipulate public opinion by sharing/voting, and also the impact of their respective algorithms for promoting content?

Of course, Tik Tok is no different, and we should be worried. They do the same thing, only it's not 'our' lobbies and we have little control on them.

[theredbox]

As an eastern european i feel the same just from the opposite perspective. Western European push for values that fundamentally cannot work in my country.

[katbyte]

While i agree with you on the first two as US movies and culture to propagate those values, third you could argue that europe and canada are pushing more privacy onto america due to GDPR and PIPEDA and companies having to follow them, but the last one i entirely have to disagree with you on the last one.

I don't see the US trying to export or push that idea/policy and i can't see it ever gaining traction in canada or the EU.