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by mariorossi666 2407 days ago
> but arguing that is ignoring the fact that leaving would mean jail. > It’s victim blaming

Yeah, but the victim is the woman he raped and that will not see any justice, because he ran...

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He did not rape anyone nor did anyone accused him of rape. He is being accused of a very specific thing which at best might be classified as sexual misconduct.
> He did not rape anyone nor did anyone accused him of rape

That's false.

> He is being accused of a very specific thing which at best might be classified as sexual misconduct.

it's rape in Sweden.

I don't know why you split hairs on this simple fact.

I will quote Stallman on that: "I think it is morally absurd to define “rape” in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in"

What he did does not fall within the definition of rape, please do not accuse him of doing a much worse thing than he did.

Stallman was saying the exact opposite of what you believe he said.

He was arguing that rape is rape, even if in different states they have different laws.

If you rape a girl the fact that in some country she is of legal age and in others she's not, it doesn't change the fact.

It is rape, she said no, he forced her, it is rape.

Please accept it, because it's what happened.

> Stallman was saying the exact opposite of what you believe he said.

> He was arguing that rape is rape, even if in different states they have different laws.

It was while he was defending Minsky and he was actually arguing that sex does not magically become rape depending on the country that you do it.

> It is rape, she said no, he forced her, it is rape.

He did not force her though. He had consent to have sex with her. It's just that they agreed to have a condom on but he apparently ripped it or something and she noticed it only afterwards.

> It was while he was defending Minsky and he was actually arguing that sex does not magically become rape depending on the country that you do it.

No, he wasn't defending Minsky, please stop saying that!

He was arguing that the definition of rape should not change based on the country you're in, or to put it in other words: if you are 16 in Italy, you can give consent to have sex, if you are 17 years and 364 days old in U.S.A., you can't.

That shouldn't change the definition of rape.

> It's just that they agreed to have a condom on but he apparently ripped it or something and she noticed it only afterwards

That's not what she says.

I was not there, did you?

I tend not to believe to a man that has at least 4 children with 4 women and he "prefers them virgins so he can be the first one to impregnate them" when it's about using condoms.

https://gawker.com/5757325/julian-assange-has-at-least-four-...

BUT we're seriously OT here.

Wait. If someone consents to sex with a condom, then the condom is tampered with, that violates the consent.

If I, a man, agree to have sex with a woman after we both agree to use a condom, but I find out that she knowingly punctured the condom, I didn't consent to that.

> the woman he raped and that will not see any justice

Presumption of innocence is a basic concept in law, and an international human right.

We don't know at this point if he raped, assaulted, grabbed by some part of the body, or did anything to any woman. There was not a trial, no judge, no proofs, no videos.

What we know is that Wikileaks most probably contributed to save lots of women from being massively raped. There was a global sense of impunity for armies before and a totally different situation after Assange. Soldiers were allowed to do anything they pleased with civils including children and women. Not so easy anymore