[mscasts]

Please stop with the apologetic fanboy rhethoric. It's not helping. I have thrown away several macbooks and I know several people that has too.

I used to have Macbooks, I upgraded them with new disks and memory. Today that would not have been possible which is one big reason I would never buy a macbook to begin with.

This behavior is bad for all consumers of their products and should not be defended with anecdotal stuff like "people don't throw away their macbooks" which is easily refuted by going to a garbage site.

[sbuk]

“Fanboy rhetoric”? How does this add to the conversation?

Anecdotally (which is all your point boils down to) I know that businesses rarely upgrade machines. Home users rarely do either. Gamers and enthusiasts are the people that tend repair or upgrade. These people are a vanishingly small number. I have no problem with Apple, or anyone else, replacing broken or damaged items with new/refurbished ones, so long as they are responsible with the disposal or reuse of the damaged article. Apple demonstrably are.

Apple offer free recycling[0] and it’s available in most countries, if not all. It is reasonably well publicised and easily searchable. If an individual chooses to dispose of a device in an inappropriate way, that’s on them, not the manufacturer of the device.

[0] https://www.apple.com/uk/recycling/nationalservices/

[lonelappde]

My car dealer offers free recycling too. They even pay me for it. Of course Apple wants people to remove competing used hardware from the market, to remove alternatives to it's high margin new manufacturing. The "recycling" part is a side note.

[mscasts]

The only reason I added an anecdote was because the entirety of your argument was anecdotal. How you can't see the irony here is beyond me.

> I’ve never known anyone to throw away a Mac

I'm just telling you that there are people who do that. What are your sources for that business don't upgrade machines? In my experience, business are often the kind of places that actually do upgrade their machines but of course not if it is macs since they cannot be upgraded.

I have never said anything negative about their recycling program. But it still is more resource heavy and more polluting than simply continued use of a product when you upgrade parts.

[sbuk]

Not the OP...

[newfangle]

>I have thrown away several macbooks and I know several people that has too

This seems like its explicitly your problem given that apple will take and recycle your old macbooks for free if they are worthless and if they arent they will take them for a credit.