[dllthomas]

Nit, but it's a pet peeve of mine:

The saying is "A few bad apples spoil the barrel", meaning "be vigilant about bad apples and get rid of them ASAP." I'm baffled and frustrated by the tendency to use "a few bad apples" as if the saying were "a few bad apples are no big deal, get rid of them if you happen to notice."

I actually don't think reasoning from vague analogy and folk wisdom is all that great an idea, but reasoning from the reverse is probably worse.

Feel plenty free to make the case that we should tolerate some level of misconduct - I might agree. But please don't refer to those involved as "a few bad apples" while you do it.

[CalRobert]

Moved to a house with a few apple trees last spring and.. yeah. You have to pull those out quick or you'll be bringing the farmer next door wheelbarrowfulls of soft apples for animal feed :-(

[Baneofbatman]

You're overthinking my point. I don't care about the folk wisdom of bad apples.

I was just using it as a way of expressing the issue at the centre of aiming to have a zero tolerance society.

Not tolerating misconduct will always lead to ever increasing intrusion into our lives and people that choose not to take part where they can will automatically be viewed with suspicion for it because the ignorant assumption is only people with something to hide would do that.

[dllthomas]

I wasn't addressing your point. I was addressing your wording.

It's picking a nit - I acknowledged that in the very first sentence of my response.

Argue for what you want to argue for - I probably agree. Just don't use that phrase that way. Or do - just know that you will be annoying me (and apparently others - my comment got more upvotes than it deserved) and distracting at least some of your audience from your argument.

[Baneofbatman]

Clearly you understood the intent behind my wording.

How would you have worded an analogy that you would consider more appropriate?

[dllthomas]

The simplest change would probably be "bad actors".