[Flip-per]

> Please, don't exaggerate.

I am a software developer who uses Linux exclusively since about 2000 and has contributed indirectly to Debian.

Last week I wanted to setup Debian on my new work laptop. Naively and without thinking much I downloaded the default image, so the wifi card didn't work.

I was on holiday, abroad with friends. Even with both the buster and testing non-free images the wifi card didn't work.

After three hours (downloading, installing a cd creator on a mac of a friend etc) I got frustrated, downloaded an Ubuntu image and it just worked.

[marmaduke]

I think of Ubuntu as Debian + the yucky driver bits.

[ebg13]

In recent history, though, it was also + the yucky terminal advertising, secret Amazon searching, and Unity interface bits. Thankfully at least they gave up on Unity so that Gnome can progress faster.

[disabled]

Yeah, the Unity interface really messed up the recent releases of Ubuntu.