[immawizard]

Ship building is a specialized trade, with tradesman located in a town near the dockyard. I doubt that shipbuilders are motivated by the love of the sea. The quote does not work in high-specialization industrial society where the product is constructed for a customer, with sales department claiming credit for the sale, and the owner pocketing the surplus value.

Much better motivation is love for a process, in ship building example, ship engineering with management supporting career development.

[pc86]

Call me crazy but I think it's possible you've missed the point.

[hinkley]

It's becoming a huge peeve of mine when people seem to have forgotten what thread they're in and take a statement out of all reasonable context or nitpick about things that do not materially degrade the point (quotes are a little fussy that way, who knows how people will interpret them).

On reddit they'd just invoke /r/lostredditor

My latest strategy is to hit back with humor. I don't know if it's working, but early results are positive.

[Rainymood]

>It's becoming a huge peeve of mine when people seem to have forgotten what thread they're in and take a statement out of all reasonable context or nitpick about things that do not materially degrade the point (quotes are a little fussy that way, who knows how people will interpret them).

Welcome to HN

[hinkley]

At no point did I claim it's new behavior. It's just getting old.

[zozbot234]

More like "Welcome to teh Internet"

[umvi]

It's called pedantry and lots of programmers seem afflicted by it.

[rdiddly]

I think it's a valid counterpoint. Those who would be great shipbuilders should hopefully love not only the sea, but also the act of building a ship. They should get as much if not more joy out of executing a weld perfectly, or shaping a piece of wood partly to their own will and partly within the constraints of its grain. Those who only yearn for the sea make great ship passengers i.e. customers, or ship captains or crewpersons. There's a divide there, and it's inherent.

But I guess (still using the language of this quote) you could say the the article is presuming the shipbuilders already love shipbuilding, and just need to be reminded that what they're building is for purposes of going to sea. Fine, but should they be impressed? To milk the analogy for all it's worth: A ship goes on the sea but it's not of the sea. It's of metal that comes out of the ground, or trees that grow out of the ground, and it's built on the ground, by people who go home at night to sleep in their houses that are on the ground. That's the divide. Shipbuilders actually have very little to do with the sea; in fact it's sort of their enemy, the thing they're protecting the customers from, the thing always threatening to creep in, seep in, and ruin their work! Maybe the analogy breaks down there... although then again... :)

Anyway I disagree with the notion that doing something for its own sake, or even (perish the thought) TO MAKE MONEY, somehow isn't adequately motivating. Half the time I wish all the temporarily-embarrassed millionaires could just fess up for once and say, yeah, I need the money. I wish it were okay to say that.