[ur-whale]

> My experiences working with ex-Googlers was not positive

I believe you, but the fact that they weren't working there creates a statistical bias in the sample, don't you think?

[dev_north_east]

Sure but I couple my experiences with what I've read on what it's like there, and well what more can one do? I probably could apply for a job there but that seems a bit of an extreme move :D