[threeseed]

Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, Hyundai Ioniq, Hyundai Kona, BMW i3, VW e-Golf, Audi e-Tron, Mercedes EQC, Renault Zoe, Jaguar i-Pace etc.

Are they not mass market cars ?

Hyundai Kona is outselling every Tesla model combined in some EU countries so I would consider them mass market.

[jryle70]

Where does your number come from? You should also be more specific about those "some EU countries".

Kona sales in Europe in 2019 so far is 77,641 [0], but the electric version is likely tiny because Hyundai only sold 2,424 fully electric cars in June 2019. Across all models! Less than one percent of their total number [1]

Tesla has sold 75,959 in Europe in 2019 [2]

[0] http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/hyundai/hyun... [1] https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/22/hyundai-kia-great-elect... [2] http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/tesla/

[PuffinBlue]

And the Kona would be selling more if they could make it faster.

How do I know this? Because I would have bought one (so technically they've have sold at least one more!) but it's a 12 month lead time right now. They even briefly removed the option a few months ago to order from their website - it may be back now but I think it doesn't mention the delay in getting the car.

The turning point really is here for a lot of us with driveways.

EDIT - nope it's still un-orderable. Just the link to join the waiting list.

[xedeon]

> Hyundai Kona is outselling every Tesla model combined in some EU countries so I would consider them mass market.

Citation needed.

Model 3 alone is outselling all other EVs in EU even with the logistical constraint of having to ship them by sea.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-tesla-model-3-has-insta...