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by amit_m 2421 days ago
I happen to own a Toyota Camry and a BMW 5 series (not M5 or any other specialty model). Even for day-to-day errands, the BMW is a pleasure to drive. There is a lot of feedback and sharp responses from the steering wheel and throttle.

The Camry on the other hand is one of the least pleasing cars to drive. The suspension feels “floaty” and the steering wheel is completely dead. It also feels completely outdated and cheap and the UI is bad.
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solatic 2421 days ago
Believe it or not, some people prefer that floaty feel. For them, it's like the difference between walking on carpet and on concrete. Not everybody desires or appreciates a "sharp response".

Market segmentation at work.

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kkarakk 2421 days ago
That's interesting, do you think you would buy a Camry that was as responsive as the BMW - if it were available- and replace your BMW with it?

I think most of car ownership is Signalling personally

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timc3 2421 days ago
It can be but often it’s not, particularly when people are into cars.

Things like handling, the interior quality, noise makes a big difference to some.

Would I replace my BMW with a Toyota if it handled as well, had as good engine, had a better screen and computer system and such a well calibrated gear box - of course. And Lexus IS getting close.

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amit_m 2420 days ago
I don't own a BMW for the signaling. I have no one to impress and it is quite an old station-wagon, so not a head turner. My wife doesn't know shit about cars but refuses to drive the Toyota on her longer commutes, because it's not comfortable for her.

So I would prefer a Toyota that handles nice over a BMW, but it would not be a Toyota. Toyota optimizes their cars for reliability and cost whereas BMW optimizes its cars for high performance and comfort. Specifically, their cars, like other German brands, are well suited for safe high-speed cruising on the autobahn, making them incredibly solid driving machines.

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thorwasdfasdf 2420 days ago
yes, the masses just want signalling, that's why individual car models are not given their own model names. car manufacturers are just emphasizing their brands.

But the true enthusiasts don't care much for signalling or Brands but prefer the visual styling and the capabilities of the car.

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