[walterstucco666]

> Windows (not Microsoft) has failed in the cloud, the web browser market, and mobile.

I don't agree on the Cloud, it's the strongest competitor to Amazon, and on the other businesses there is no competition: mobile and browser is Google.

Amazon failed as well in the mobile business.

[scarface74]

That’s what I meant. Microsoft hasn’t failed in the cloud - Windows has.

As far as mobile being “google”. In terms of revenue, it came out in the Oracle lawsuit that Android has only made Google about $33 billion its entire existence. Less than the amount that Apple makes in two quarters on iPhones. Google also reportedly still pays Apple $8 billion a year to bectge default search engine in Apple devices.

[walterstucco666]

> Microsoft hasn’t failed in the cloud - Windows has.

as a server, maybe.

as a client not really.

> Android has only made Google about $33 billion its entire existence

Yeah, they are good at hiding profits

and they are an ADV company which dominated the mobile market because it was strategic, they don't need to profit from selling (and manufacturing) the HW, they just need your screen time.

There are between 2.5 and 3 billion android devices around the world.

And it's almost impossible to own an android devices without Google SW on it.

> Less than the amount that Apple makes in two quarters on iPhones.

That's not really true, and iPhone revenues are declining every year.

In 2018 thy made $33.36 billions, down of 9.2% from the previous year.

If Apple loses the mobile market, it's finished.

But people would still watch YouTube advs on iPhone replacements.

[scarface74]

Yeah, they are good at hiding profits and they are an ADV company which dominated the mobile market because it was strategic, they don't need to profit from selling (and manufacturing) the HW, they just need your screen time

You think Google lied under discovery? Oracle wasn’t just counting their meager hardware sells but they were also counting as sales, Google Play revenue etc.

And it's almost impossible to own an android devices without Google SW on it.

There is a country that has over 1 billion people running Android with no Google Services.

That's not really true, and iPhone revenues are declining every year.

And it’s still about the same as MS’s revenue last quarter at 38 billion

If Apple loses the mobile market, it's finished.

Apple is far more diversified than Google. Almost all of Google’s profits come from advertising, 48% of Apple’s revenue come from the iPhones.

The Mac business by itself is about the size of McDonald’s the last time I checked.

Estimates for Youtube is that it’s barely profitable if at all.

[walterstucco666]

> You think Google lied under discovery?

I think the known taxable profits are only a fraction of the real profits.

Don't jump to conclusions, just because you wanna prove a point.

> There is a country that has over 1 billion people running Android with no Google Services.

so you're agreeing with me: it's almost impossible, the alternative is live in China and give up your freedom.

Because you can't use Chinese services outside China.

There's also that.

Anyway Google China it's a thing.

And at this point I would prefer China spying on me than Google.

Maybe Europe should start banning US services as well...

> Apple is far more diversified than Google.

Is it?

Mac HW is less than 10% of their revenues.

What else they produce?

Could Apple really survive out of wearables or iPads or iCloud without iPhones?

I seriously doubt it.

> Estimates for Youtube is that it’s barely profitable if at all.

Nobody knows how big YouTube really is

Estimates are in the range 16-25 billion dollars / year