[vkou]

All of these things sound horrible, as do the people doing them.

Why do you insist on keeping people who feel that way in the country, against their will?

It's something that often puzzles me against political stances that oppose separatism. Often, they both express contempt for the people who want to leave, while at the same time, not allowing them to.

[dcabrejas]

Because we know it's not the cleverest idea in the world and therefore we don't want to play that game.

No-one is opposing separatism by the way, it's just that the whole country has to agree. The catalans signed up to the constitution like everyone else.

Why should they be able to shit all over it? And by the way is less than half of catalans who want this.

[tassl]

> Because we know it's not the cleverest idea in the world and therefore we don't want to play that game.

This awfully sounds like:

"We know better" "Hey Catalans, you guys don't really know what's good for you, so we are taking decisions on your behalf"

All your argument can only be explained from the right of conquest.

[pvaldes]

>"Hey Catalans, you guys don't really know what's good for you, so we are taking decisions on your behalf"

Hey Catalans, you guys really know what's good for you!, you are trying to get out of Spain and EU all in the same step. Hooow foxxxyyy!

You don't want to be like those savages that speak spanish in Chile, Buenos Aires, Mexico, Los Angeles or Madrid! you are too good to speak the language of torturers!

You can insult your main customers six times a day because you are best buzzinezmen in the world!. Customers love a "meneíto" and everybody will kill for buying your stuff made of pure freedom vapour! at any price!.

Independence will raise your economy to the stratosphere like a Winged San Jorge ascending to heaven with a choir of Xavier Cugats playing golden trumpets in the background!. The world will worship you as the first really freemocratic potency in Europe and you are zupaclever and megasmart and have a solid economic plan for the future.

...

That would be better for you?

Lies feel warm?

[vkou]

"I know what is best for you, you get no say" is a retort of dictators, not democracies.

[dcabrejas]

I don't need to be a dictator to know better than other people. It is just a fact that some people know better than others.

You seem to be implying that you know more than me by taking the higher road, you dictator! :P