[mihemihe]

Don't get the wrong message because they use the term Democratic and play being the victims. Majority of people in Catalonia do not support secession. Those are the real victims, the 50%-ish which are silent, and suffering every day not being able to declare in public their love for their country, Spain and Catalonia, their region.

They used this app to organize violent riots, taking advantage of the pacifist demonstrations organized by the pro-secession political parties.

The big problem in Catalonia is exactly that the ratio is around 50%-50%, but the status quo is that Catalonia is part of Spain, so the pro-secession will keep protesting, and the government shutting them down, and more important, defending the 50%+ of Spaniards which live in Catalonia and want to remain part of Spain. No one talk about these ones!

[kuroikyu]

> They used this app to organize violent riots, taking advantage of the pacifist demonstrations organized by the pro-secession political parties.

They also used this app to organize non-violent protests, but why say that when you can tell half the truth to tell your story? I'm sure Whatsapp, Telegram, Messenger good ol' SMS were used to organize violent riots, but we won't close those right? I'm sorry but your argument is as week or worse than the one used to take down HK's map.

[mihemihe]

Hong Kong and Catalonia are completely different stories, you know that, but still we like to draw the attention to Hong Kong and find similarities where there are none.

They closed other sources such as websites, and VPS hosting mirrors. You cannot simply "close" WhatsApp or Telegram or SMS, that is not how it works, unless you just cut the service for everybody, or go down the rabbit hole of chasing hundreds if ad-hoc groups.

Still, the real victims here are the 50%+ of Spaniards who want to remain being Spaniards. In my opinion, while there are people who want to continue being part of Spain, the government is doing right protecting the law and shutting the secessionists down.

[kazagistar]

Wouldn't doing right be having a proper referendum, ideally with international oversight, to get the real answer to the question? Everyone likes to think they are on the side of a majority, but its talking out of your ass til you actually do the democracy.

[mihemihe]

Is simple majority enough to split a country, change the constitution, and change the citizenship of millions of citizens? Some people think it would require a qualified majority for such a change. How big? Maybe a 70%, and 80%? A referendum when we are in the 50%-50% is a dangerous proposition, and against the law, and definitely will make the things worse.

[yxhuvud]

That is a very reasonable question, and Brexit is also relevant in that discussion. Perhaps it would be a good idea to require a qualified majority for cases like this.

[javierga]

Amendments and changes to the Spanish constitution require a qualified parliamentary majority.

[gerardvivancos]

Why does not the status quo require some qualified majority?

[gerardvivancos]

"Majority" because you-say-so.

No one talks about the ones who want to remain? No one besides all the media in the whole country, you mean?

C'mon.

According to you, the victims are some 50%-ish of people, but somehow the other 50%-ish (that is implied in what you say) is not?

Violent riots? Do you know what a violent riot is? Have you seen the police actions? Have you been on the streets these days? Let's stop with the lie spreading.

[borrame]

100% true