[lhorie]

Approximating Suspense to algebraic effects is a pet peeve of mine. Algebraic effects are more akin to DI or at best to using a generator than the throw-and-retry-everything hack that Suspense does. And to boot, that's not even necessarily the right abstraction (e.g. AFAIK multiple nested suspense things are still an open issue).

I do agree that Vue seems to be reactive in its choice of features, in the sense that it tries to be everything to everyone.

The underlying problem IMHO is that these frameworks are unwilling to create major breaking changes (since that would hamper marketability) so it's easier to just shove things into the unused edges of the semantics space until they becomes a hodge podge of a million ways of doing the same thing.

I feel like Angular is the one framework that sorta "gets it" now. It went all the way to CS lala-land w/ 1.x and rewrote from the ground up for v2 taking several lessons from its v1 and from elsewhere.

[brlewis]

>The underlying problem IMHO is that these frameworks are unwilling to create major breaking changes (since that would hamper marketability) so it's easier to just shove things into the unused edges of the semantics space until they becomes a hodge podge of a million ways of doing the same thing.

Sounds like you want Mithril, but keep in mind that backward compatibility and marketability are, in fact, useful features.

[lhorie]

> backward compatibility and marketability are, in fact, useful features

They are (and FWIW, the Stroustrup quote[1] is quite applicable here). I'm merely pointing out that feature creep leads to bloat/complexity which lead to people to complain, and that feature creep also leads to marketability (which is a reason why mainstream language spec documents typically have hundreds of pages). Personally I think this pattern is a problem, but I don't know if anyone has managed to figure out a solution.

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/226225-there-are-only-two-k...

[brlewis]

Ha! The HN feature of emphasizing comments and de-emphasizing their authors worked too well. I did not notice I was replying to the original author of Mithril. Hi Leo.

If "long copy sells" is the reason why feature creep leads to marketability, then maybe an abundance of examples would help.

[Scarbutt]

Picking on your brain and hindsight ;) , and as someone who did little ES5 and DOM/browser API programming in the past, what would you recommend today for a fast track to a SPA for a solo project? (The learning process is not an issue). The interactivity is not very high but the UX can benefit from a SPA, is an invoicing system.

JS Framework, CSS methodology(UI framework?), etc... or any other perspective you want to share.

[ilrwbwrkhv]

apprun https://apprun.js.org/