[dominotw]

> It's a simple recursion. why wouldn't I be able to do it? I fully expect to solve algorithms & data structures questions into my 60s faster than the average 20yo can (because of my background. Point is, it doesn't correlate with age, if you can't do it at 40 you probably weren't great at it at 20).

ok. I was being facetious with that (particularly famous) example.

you are able to breeze through hard leetcodes in your 40's in a tech interview setting?

Why would you be faster at 60's vs 20's , not sure i follow the line of reasoning.

> So don't write CRUD apps if you're better than that.

Can you give me some examples of better things that actually require 20yrs of experience ?

[virgilp]

For context I have 2 medals at IOI in highschool. I'm not the most competent in the world (best in my country took 4, all of them gold) but still I'm not too shabby.

Am I as good as I was in my 20s? No. But the truth is that most people can't do the simple recursion... very few places will deny you employment because you can't invent original algorithms on the spot. They'd just fail tou for simple examples like the one you presented. The amount of people who can't do a tree traversal unless it's DFS is staggering. (and in all honesty, not all of them are useless programmers... sometimes people would do amazing stuff despite failing basic algorithmic tasks. That's what makes hiring decisions so hard.)

[edit] > Can you give me some examples of better things that actually require 20yrs of experience ?

I saw this just now. Lots of things can use said 20yrs of experience... maybe even some CRUD apps (e.g. to know what to not over-design). Some things you probably can't do right without extensive experience (say, design a new programming langugage; or a new datastore). E.g. Rich Hickey famously designed Clojure because he wanted a better way to do those "CRUD apps". Also, it's quite easy to find a hard problem that you won't solve without extensive experience, no matter how smart you are (say: collaboration, data management & versioning in large AI teams). Pretty much any open-ended problem, really... remove all constraints and most programmers will get stuck. How many people can start with "void main()" (or equivalent) and actually release it to production, if the project takes a non-trivial amount of time to complete?

[dominotw]

ok. But You haven't answered my questions.

Re that example, I was just using this famous tweet.

https://twitter.com/mxcl/status/608682016205344768

You don't get a job solving simple recursion problems. You have to solve hard leetcodes.

[virgilp]

I don't know what "hard leetcodes" look like... even in my teens I failed to solve _some_ problems. But what I can tell you is that I switched jobs less than a year ago, I was given as part of the interview process a link to solve 3 problems online in 1h30m and solved them all in 1h. Now, were they rated "hard"? I don't know, honestly.

Also, 2years ago (I think) I participated in Amazon TechO(n) challenge... I was 1st after the weekend, but couldn't work on it during the week (no time/ kids) so by Friday my solution ended up 5th or 6th I think.

[ninja edit] No, I'm not faster, I'm a lot slower. In fact I probably lost most of my speed in the first few years when I stopped competing... but it's not a linear function, at some point, you don't lose any more speed; and just a quick refresher every now and then can boost your abilities back to fairly high levels. And most interview problems are not really competition problems, they're fairly basic.

And no, I don't write algorithms from scratch currently, the company I work for might actually be characterized as "boring" by many people("robotic process automation" - look it up). But I've lived to learn that when there's lots of money involved, there's also lots of interesting problems to solve - one just needs to find them.

[dominotw]

I can say you are def an exception, most ppl get slower at these in their 40's than in their 20's.

You seem to have gotten faster. For most people this knowledge tends to atrophy as they age. Maybe you are lucky enough to work at job that requires you to write algorithms from scratch ( embedded engg?).

What is your theory as to why that homebrew guy wasn't able to solve simple recursion problem ?

[virgilp]

Either bad interviewer ( focused on syntax rather than problem-solving skills), bad day, or simply this:

> people would do amazing stuff despite failing basic algorithmic tasks. That's what makes hiring decisions so hard.)

It's important to note that this doesn't mean algorithm tests are inherently broken. People who can't solve _basic_ algorithmic problems tend to be weak employees. Rejecting them screws your recall (a few would be amazing if hired) but tends to improve the precision a lot, so the trade-off is often worth it.