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by mcv 2433 days ago
I'm not sure what you think people voted so clearly on. No vote has ever been very clear about what the people wanted concerning Brexit. There has never been a public vote on a hard Brexit, merely on an intention to leave the EU, without any plan or specification about how. Many people campaigning for the Leave vote argued that the UK would stay in the common market, so you could easily argue that the people voted to stay in the common market.

It's true that what the people want is getting ignored by the political class; polls show a majority of the public wants to stay in the EU, now that is has become clear what leaving means, but the government keeps insisting on the hardest possible Brexit, against both common sense and the will of the people.

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> No vote has ever been very clear about what the people wanted concerning Brexit. There has never been a public vote on a hard Brexit, merely on an intention to leave the EU, without any plan or specification about how.

Please stop spreading fud. There are many videos that I can post which have many MPs stating that a leave vote means:

- Leaving the EU

- Leaving the single market

- Leaving the ECJ

- etc

Here are two examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MaYV778kgU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHZas08SUtI

I'm sure there are more.

Saying that the British People didn't know what they were voting on is a myth that the remainders keep on perpetuating and it's simply not true.

Finally, if you don't agree. Please post some links opposing this post. Thanks.

To repeat, absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market

- Daniel Hannan, May 2015

Increasingly the Norway option looks the best for the UK

- Arron Banks, November 2015

https://youtube.com/watch?t=308&v=zzykce4oxII

https://twitter.com/arron_banks/status/682125949245206528

But that's exactly my point: people contradict each other. Some Leave campaigners said that the UK would leave the common market, some said it would stay in the common market. The current PM said at the time that the UK will “still have access to the single market”[0]. Many other current hard-line Brexiteers said similar things at the time.

Even Nigel Farage has argued for something similar to Norway or Switzerland (known as the "soft Brexit")[1].

[0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson...

[1] https://quotebrexit.wordpress.com/2016/11/18/leave-campaigne...

One of the videos you cite says "we wouldn’t be able to be in the single market, we wouldn’t be able to be in the Customs Union".

Given that the latest proposed Withdrawal Agreement would leave Northern Ireland in the single market and Customs Union, it appears you're actually reinforcing the point that no one knew what they were actually voting for.

Yes, the proposed deal does do this. Because Boris just wants a quick win and then wants to say that Brexit is done and then wants to win a majority on december 12.

It's one thing to do what's best for the country and what 17.4 million people voted for. It's another thing entirely to do what's best for yourself (that being boris)

So, again, the deal that's on the table is not the one that was voted for. By your own evidence!
What are you going on about?

First you are saying, people did not know what they are voting for.

Secondly, you are saying the deal on the table is not the one which was voted for.

You are conflating two different issues here.

On the second point. Yes, you are correct. The current negotiated treaty (don't call it a deal because it's a legally binding agreement) is not what the 17.4m British public wanted.

On the first point. The conservatives under May decided to interpret the will of the people and decided on a close relationship with the EU and she negotiated very badly. Thus we are where we are today due to her wilful negligence.

For the last 40 years Politicians have never delivered on their promises. Have never said what they will do on their manifestos. Are you surprised that Politicians are not doing a full on brexit? Because I am not.

> "The conservatives under May decided to interpret the will of the people and decided on a close relationship with the EU and she negotiated very badly."

Distant relationship, surely. She was negotiating a hard Brexit rather than the soft one that would have been more in line with some of the promises that had been made to the British public. Her mistake was pushing for an unreasonably hard Brexit which lead to all sorts of problems, including the Irish border. That turned out to be something she couldn't get through Parliament, and it has probably contributed to the general public turning against the idea of a Brexit entirely. No Brexit is apparently better than a bad Brexit.