[barry-cotter]

I bow to your greater experience of Singapore but I struggle to see how anyone could feel safer as a pedestrian in Shanghai than Singapore. It’s not as bad as Beijing but the median (car) driver here is just dangerous and that’s without taking account of the scooter drivers going wrong way or running red lights or driving on the foot path.

Most of Shanghai has really wide, four lane roads or wider in the new built areas that are most of the city like Pudong or Qingpu. The rest sounds worse in Singapore but the only parts of Shanghai with narrow streets are in old Puxi.

[logicchains]

Shanghai traffic is quite congested, which slows it down considerably compared to Singapore. Drivers (at least to me) also seem more cautious in Shanghai, maybe because of the draconian penalties for hitting someone. 蓝村路 is a concrete example of a road that feels safer to cross due to traffic moving slowly, if you've ever been there. 浦电路 is another one.