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by chmod775 2431 days ago
> How is there democracy if the majority cannot decide to do X or Y.

The majority can't decide that gravity should cease to exist or the sun shouldn't shine within their borders. Some limitations on democracy are natural, others are imposed by those who established it. That doesn't mean it's not a democracy.

You could do the same thought experiment with dictatorships or any form of government really. If a dictator can decide that he'd rather have a democracy, then he can end his own existence (fine?), unless he operates in some constitutional framework that enshrines him as the one and only power within the country. If that's the case, is he still a dictator? Short answer: clearly. Long answer: We can have a long debate about this and essentially come to the conclusion that either whatever definition of democracy/dictatorships you're using needs to be revised, or you need to come up with new names for most political systems on earth, because we need to names for things at the end of the day.

In any case don't use the article author's definition:

> Democracy is a system of majority rule in which each citizen has one vote either in deciding the policies of the government or in electing the rulers, who will in turn decide policy.

According to his definition the majority is allowed to just decide policy. I don't think he realizes there's actually no contradiction if you define it like that, because ending democracy would be a matter of polity and probably politics in general, but not really a matter of just policy.

Edit: Fair warning, I edited quite a bit above roughly 10 minutes after posting.

2 comments

> The majority can't decide that gravity should cease to exist or the sun shouldn't shine within their borders. Some limitations on democracy are natural, others are imposed by those who established it. That doesn't mean it's not a democracy.

I don't think anyone is arguing that not being able to impose the voters' will over the laws of nature is any indication of whether a system is democratic. Nor should not being able to vote away natural rights (like the right not to be murdered) have any bearing because they're basically the same thing. Red herring, really.

If someone who is long gone (and no longer has voting rights) imposed limitations on a democratic system then how is it even a democracy? More like a dictatorship ruled over by dead people with the illusion that people have "self rule".

> If someone who is long gone (and no longer has voting rights) imposed limitations on a democratic system then how is it even a democracy?

You are always asking for "how" X can still be a democracy, which is a weird question I don't even know how to answer, since I really don't even know what you understand under a democracy.

What do you mean how? Can you throw me a rope and explain this to me then:

> Nor should not being able to vote away natural rights (like the right not to be murdered) have any bearing

If I can't vote to legalize murder, how is it still a democracy?

> Some limitations on democracy are natural, others are imposed by those who established it. That doesn't mean it's not a democracy.

The second clearly does; government by the dead is incompatible with government by the governed, a point Thomas Jefferson is noted for addressing at some length: https://jeffersonpapers.princeton.edu/selected-documents/tho...