[masahiko]

Fog is worse than where? I work in SSF as well... A) its where businesses like Stripe should be in the coming years (it wont be creative, it'll be internet infrastructure) B) there is a ferry to Oakland (to help alleviate the absurd traffic jams over the bay bridge) and C) bring some variety (right now SSF is all pharma and med device) into SSF.

There is no reason why SSF couldn't be a thriving, cool place to live and work. It takes companies like Stripe to take the lead and have a vision.

Right now downtown SSF is totally boring but add a good grocery store (ahem, Berkeley Bowl) a couple cool coffee shops, wine bars and great restaurants and it would be a perfect fine place to live and work - half way between the south bay and SF.

Buy, renovate or build a place or open a restaurant in SSF now while you have than chance. It will be corporate, funky but potentially cool in 5 years with your creative and financial energy in it.

[harimau777]

Is SSF still a large city in terms of cost of living and owning a home?

Personally, by living in a large city I'm giving up the ability to own a home in exchange for access to niche resources such as ethnic enclaves, bohemian artist communities, cultural events, groups dedicated to uncommon hobbies, etc. Just having trendy restaurants and coffee shops wouldn't do it for me.

[maxlamb]

|bohemian artist communities Do bohemian artist communities still exist in San Francisco? How can they afford to live there?

[asdff]

*65 year old bohemian artist communities that bought their property in 1972

[Noos]

trust fund kids with their MFAs playing at being bohemians, more likely. These days a lot of people who would have been bohemians are drawing porn of cartoon characters on Patreon to pay the bills. Art is a rich man's game now.

[bravura]

I think you’ve nailed for me the difference between superficial trendiness and rich culture, in an urban setting

[selimthegrim]

The ferry terminal with 12 bike spots (like downtown Oakland BART station which has 8) and no current ferry service to Pier 41? Why doesn't Stripe fork over some $$$ for that if they're so serious?