[nefitty]

Alan Watts wrote:

> “Psychedelic experience is only a glimpse of genuine mystical insight, but a glimpse which can be matured and deepened by the various ways of meditation in which drugs are no longer necessary or useful. When you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope; he goes away and works on what he has seen.”

What message, if any, were you looking for during your psychedelic explorations? Did you receive it?

[coldtea]

>What message, if any, were you looking for during your psychedelic explorations?

I just wanted to get stoned out of my head, and see some weird colors and shit man.

>Did you receive it?

Oh, yeah.

(I'm a little snarky here about the whole coming into psychedelics looking for some "message", and seeing that you receive it too).

[derpherpsson]

The experience of ego-softening, or even complete ego-death, is something that some psychedelics bring to their users. LSD, mushrooms and especially DMT does this.

Many normal humans will not know that this experience is even possible, or might dismiss it straight off as humbo jumbo. (Many drug users that did the drugs just for fun will get this as a sort of surprise gift. Sometimes they dismiss it despite having experienced it, sadly.)

Once one have experienced this a couple of times, it is possible to learn whereto steer the mind during normal meditation. It is possible, although it requires skill, to come there with normal sober meditation.