[nohope]

What you mean by "west"? Latin America (where I live), all the Africa and some poor european countries are "west" and those are not very good examples of prosperity.

Even in "western" rich countries there is a lot of growing unequality. The capitalism is falling by itself.

[Double_a_92]

It's a relationship like this: All wealthy countries are capitalist. Some capitalist countries are wealthy.

[ClumsyPilot]

I am not sure that's accurate. UAE and Saudi are monarchies. Singapore is very socialist, if you look at their housing policy, it's entirely run by the state. They even allocate apartment to ensure that different ethnic groups mix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjPgNBNeLU

Also, I would not consider China poor today, and certainly even less so in the future.

[sol_remmy2]

> UAE and Saudi are monarchies

This is not as hot of a take as you think. Many reactionaries believe that a monarchy under a good monarch is the ideal government system - much better than a democracy where uninformed voters make so many decisions

[devsag]

Singapore has 0% GDP growth and even need a loan from IMF to invest in infrastructure that's laughable for a developed country.

[ClumsyPilot]

Both true, both completely irrelevant.

Singapore is ranked 3rd in the world by PPP, at $100k The United States is ranked 10th with at $62k

I can come with with hundreds of criteria by which US is laughable, take foreign debt for example, or number of people dying from preventable diseases.

[zip1234]

China has a capitalist market economy. They do have some degree of government ownership of companies and the government has asserted that they are not capitalist as the communist party is in charge and they have to maintain face. However, in practice, they are on the capitalist spectrum. Also, monarchies can be capitalist. Capitalism just means the state doesn't own everything and collect all the profits.

[sol_remmy2]

> Latin America (where I live) is "west" and those are not very good examples of prosperity.

Chile is a good example of a "western" latin american country. Brazil/Argentina are bad examples. Brazil for instance, has state-ownership of its entire oil industry - pretty textbook socialism.

[nohope]

As if the lack of prosperity in these countries were because supposed lack of capitalism...

Chile? Just look how people are satisfied with their system nowadays... Behind seeming positive macroeconomic numbers, there is a very unequal society. Chile is the most unequal society among all OECD members. The riots that happen there right now are not against any socialism, but against the liberal fail. They followed strict liberal rules since Pinochet dictatorship, and that is what it became.

[marcosdumay]

> pretty textbook socialism

Yes, like that socialist disaster that is Finland.

(Besides, Brazil does not have state ownership of its entire oil industry.)

[ClumsyPilot]

US has state ownership of it's entire primary education - pretty textbook socialism.

Or maybe the divide isn't clear cut, perhaps?