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by grepthisab 2437 days ago
No pretending to be an engineer can have deadly consequences. Imagine someone saying they're an engineer and being contracted to build a bridge or building. That could (and has) have disastrous consequences.
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You can be an engineer without an engineering license. Safety-critical jobs usually require a professional engineering license, but there are a lot of engineering work which is not safety-critical.
When it comes to civil stuff (i.e. the safety critical thing people think of when they hear engineer - bridges, buildings, highways, flood protection...) you absolutely can't call yourself an engineer without professional accreditation in every jurisdiction I know.
Even then (buildings for example), I believe some of the work can be done by non-licensed engineers. Stuff like land surveying, some electrical, CAD/modelling work, design of plumbing, heating, etc. can be done without license. I know a few people that aren't licensed but work on condos as engineers. I'm guessing a lot of the stuff has to be reviewed/approved by a licensed engineer, but that could be 1 to 5 licensed:unlicensed for example.
Definitely! Engineers don't do all the work. But if you're working in the field, you don't call yourself an engineer unless you're licensed.

(For context: I work in the field and am not a registered engineer, though I studied it in university. I would never call myself an engineer)

I guess this confusion is why a lot of professions use "chartered" to signify this.
Chartership for engineering most certainly exists, and there are many good reasons it should be more popular within software engineering.
You have an engineering degree, but you wouldn’t call yourself an engineer?

What do you call yourself?

An engineering graduate, or an engineer-in-training. You can call yourself an engineer once you have several years of experience, pass some exams on law and ethics and whatnot, and get a professional designation.
There's only one state in Australia that has mandatory registration of engineers. There are several more states that are currently starting up mandatory registration schemes, and of course the national professional bodies operate voluntary registration and accreditation schemes.

Now of course that doesn't mean that you can just start building bridges as a non-accredited engineer, I expect the courts would look unkindly on you in a negligence lawsuit if your company had engineers that couldn't demonstrate their professional qualifications and development.

This is seen as a problem and the professional bodies are pushing more states to adopt mandatory registration, so we'll see more of that in the next few years, but it's not like Australia is a land where bridges fall down weekly without mandatory registration.

The funny thing is that civilingenjör (engineer) is a protected title in Sweden.

Also amusing that it's a Swedish person fighting with the American mindset (My Constitutions!). It's very rare to see those.

I could at least pretend that might happen if there was only one kind of engineer. But someone that incompetent at hiring might also hire the wrong kind of engineer. The rule doesn't do anything to help.
A P.Eng. is professionally obligated to refuse work that they're not competent to perform. You can't hire the wrong kind of engineer, because the engineer knows if they're the right kind or not.
Then the wrong engineer just also shirks professional obligation.
Which would result in their license to practice being revoked by the professional association.

It takes ~8 years to fulfill the requirements to acquire a professional license. It's not worth the risk of being caught.

Just to expand, I've never heard of an engineer from the wrong field signing off on a document (e.g. an EE signing off on a structure), but here's a lesser example of unskilled practice and the corresponding disciplinary action: https://www.apega.ca/assets/PDFs/discipline-decisions/18-011...
I am a network engineer and as far as I know there is no professional board for this.
That means you’re not an engineer.

That’s not an insult, I’m sure you’re quite skilled. But outside of the software industry “engineer” is a term that signifies certification.

Well they couldn’t sign off on the part that requires a registered engineer... soooooo