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by anm89 2436 days ago
Serious question: given the monstrous scale of softbank, the not so great quality of many of its holdings, and it's ties into multiple world economies, could softbank be a systemic risk to the entire world economy?

If Uber took a big write off at this point, not only would American and Japanese companies and Saudi Arabia take major losses but I would imagine big tech stocks in general would start to see a loss in confidence and a reversion to more normal P/E ratios.

I would imagine at that point softbank would be such a dirty word that it would have to firesale as well. And certainly no second vision fund.

And then you could go on and on about what would happen to pensions in the states and the rest of our systemically daisy chained over leveraged economy or whatever else if that happened.

Do I have an overly active imagination? Does anyone else worry about this kind of stuff?

2 comments

> could softbank be a systemic risk to the entire world economy?

No. The Vision Fund itself is nowhere near large enough to be systemically important, even given a complete loss of all principal.

Also, a lot (most?) of the the risk from SIFIs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_systemically_important...) is that they're counterparties in tens of thousands to tens of millions of relationships, many of which assume the counterparty is completely reliable. That's not true here; all Softbank and Vision Fund shareholders understand their capital is at risk. Banks also almost inherently use leverage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel_III#Leverage_ratio) more heavily than most other industries.

The other possible results you mentioned are market mechanics. For example, a reversion to more historically-normal P/E ratios is not something that SIFI tries to prevent (or encourage).

> I would imagine big tech stocks in general would start to see a loss in confidence and a reversion to more normal P/E ratios.

Most of the big tech companies have not particularly strange P/E ratios.

> I would imagine at that point softbank would be such a dirty word that it would have to firesale as well.

What's the mechanism here? Uber takes a large writedown leads to Softbank declaring bankruptcy? I don't follow the reasoning.

> Do I have an overly active imagination? Does anyone else worry about this kind of stuff?

Yes and no.

If two of softbanks biggest assets get marked down significantly, and the rest of their bets are similarly, super leveraged high risk plays, It's not hard for me to imagine trying to liquidate some assets so they could leave with their shirts and give (some) money back to investors.

They've probably missed their window for huge VC style growth at that point anyway.