[gduffy]

That's not a very generous interpretation of what I wrote, and honestly hints at an immature understanding of good engineering and security.

Dropcam v1 was one of the most secure internet products in existence at its inception, by design, full stop.

Making things more secure is a never-ending charge, and we never stopped. Google/Nest continue to try to improve things as well, but they've been slower and more inefficient at doing so than we were in our heyday. That's why these stories never seem to stop coming. The attackers are outpacing the defenders.

[jaclaz]

>Dropcam v1 was one of the most secure internet products in existence at its inception, by design, full stop.

Well, with all due respect, that doesn't exclude that the security may not have been "good enough" (then) as much as it is not "good enough" (now):

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_the_land_of_the_blind,_the...

[gduffy]

Erasmus also said “What is life but a play in which everyone acts a part until the curtain comes down?”

“With all due respect”, which part are you playing right now?

My comments were not meant as logical proofs. But, I am content to say that Dropcam, as designed at launch, could likely be proven “net good” based on several popular moral axiomatic systems. That’s the best I’ve got, chum! The alternative is to convert oneself to a motionless blob, attempting to exert the least possible influence on reality unless intense logical calculation and polling of prevailing subjective moral bases has occurred first.

I choose instead to just try to do the right thing, and build cool/good stuff too. And always try to make things better, as long as you have breath. I highly recommend it over the blob strategy.

Have to admit though, I had forgotten how much fun it is to comment on the Internet!