[jnty]

Yes this is bizarre - it's the same in the UK, where crossing the stop line on red is the offence. Often in cities traffic will continue through the amber light so you often have to turn on red to clear the junction. (Pedestrian lights are generally timed to account for this.)

What if an obstruction appears in the road - a pedestrian or a u-turning car? Are you just meant to plow into them?

[inanutshellus]

> What if an obstruction appears in the road - a pedestrian or a u-turning car? Are you just meant to plow into them?

I'm guessing you're supposed to get the robot-generated penalty, get your court date, take the day off of work, and plead your blindingly-obvious case to the court.

..... /or/ they could change to make the offense fire if you enter the intersection illegally instead of exit "illegally". :-\

Completely nutty.

[bitexploder]

Many municipalities make them non-moving violations and won’t even let you appear in court for them. It is an outright scam.

[yaur]

A friend of mine got one of these and if you read carefully they aren't really even "tickets" though they try hard to obscure that. AFAICT the only real recourse the company that issues these "violations" has if you don't pay is to pursue them through ordinary collections, which I suspect would be difficult if you were to dispute the "debt."

[alextingle]

> Often in cities traffic will continue through the amber light

"London green" we call it.

[swish_bob]

You should try Amsterdam if you think it's bad in London ...