[aphexairlines]

Your initial scenario is still flawed: "middle eng management were actual engineers." The problem is elevating management above other roles. At that point the course has been set.

[hinkley]

And they may know how to manage devs but they have very little change of being good at , which is what protects the dev team.

When the smooth talking suits show up and tell their pretty dictions, there aren’t enough people who know how to push back.

But where would you find these classically trained managers who haven’t drunk the Taylor koolaid?

[sargram01]

Yes, exactly, that’s the point I was trying to get at.