[BurnGpuBurn]

> > like the sharing of CP

> A victimless crime.

Most certainly not. A lot of victims that were exploited in the production of child porn have to live with the knowledge that for the rest of their life that material will be out there, viewed by every dirty slimy degenerate wanting to do so. It's also one of the reasons a lot of them commit suicide. The fact that the justice system makes even viewing this material illegal is not for nothing, but comes from a proper understanding of how child porn victimizes people.

[buisi]

That isn't quite the case, it is more so due to negative attention in the media from child killers and the like. Most of it actually tends to be thirty year old magazines, nudes and things the minors (perhaps foolishly) upload themselves.

This may also seem morally wrong, so to speak, but the consequences for such are exactly the same as if you were to watch someone getting whipped and violently raped. There isn't really an incentive to go for anything "less bad", especially considering it is an innate attraction you can never get rid of.

In some states, the sentences for outright molesting dozens of kids is lighter than looking at some images or videos on your computer. It is ludicrous and it is almost as if the state cares more about "Out of sight, out of mind" than anything else.

They're even throwing people in prison for looking at cartoons or having the wrong books.

The question at the end of the day is... What exactly are people supposed to do then? Commit suicide? Perhaps genocide 0.1% to 1% of the population who have these "wrong thoughts"? The paranoia has gotten so bad that some viruses even plant CP on your computer.

[dependenttypes]

> A lot of victims that were exploited in the production of child porn

Good thing, sharing existing CP is not the same as exploiting people to create CP.

> by every dirty slimy degenerate wanting to do so

You are aware that you managed to insult even the people who want to but refuse to watch CP for moral reasons, right? You are basically calling a group of people with a certain attraction that they themselves can't change as "dirty slimy degenerate"s.

> It's also one of the reasons a lot of them commit suicide

I honestly doubt that, but if we assume that was indeed the case, shouldn't the authorities simply not inform them that their pictures/videos are being distributed online? Even then though, I still can't see this as a reason to illegalise it. Should we also make rejections(from jobs/relationships/etc) illegal because some of the people who receive said rejection commit suicide?

Also, I find it dishonest of you not to consider the people who have been unjustly jailed if not for distributing at least for possession of CP, some of which have committed suicide.

> The fact that the justice system makes even viewing this material illegal is not for nothing, but comes from a proper understanding of how child porn victimizes people.

Just like how the justice system in most countries until recently illegalised homosexuality and sex before marriage, right? There are many unjust laws, especially in the area of personal freedoms/victimless crimes (growing weed, owning cocaine, sending a nude picture of yourself from when you were underaged, etc)/copyright (piracy/unauthorised modification/breaking drm).

[BurnGpuBurn]

> > A lot of victims that were exploited in the production of child porn

> Good thing, sharing existing CP is not the same as exploiting people to create CP.

No it isn't the same thing. Sharing child porn is victimizing people though, it is victimizing the people that are abused in that material.

> > by every dirty slimy degenerate wanting to do so

> You are aware that you managed to insult even the people who want to but refuse to watch CP for moral reasons, right? You are basically calling a group of people with a certain attraction that they themselves can't change as "dirty slimy degenerate"s.

I didn't mean to insult those people. I like however how you've turned this around from the victims of child porn on to the victims of a comment on HN. And it's absolutely not a fact that people that suffer from an attraction to children can't change that. Some cases seem induced by excessive porn viewing and revert when those people stop doing so for a couple of months. Though there are also people who seem to be incurable.

> > It's also one of the reasons a lot of them commit suicide

> I honestly doubt that, but if we assume that was indeed the case, shouldn't the authorities simply not inform them that their pictures/videos are being distributed online?

This idea is laughable. Do you honestly believe just not telling the victims the material is out there will convince them the material isn't out there?

> Even then though, I still can't see this as a reason to illegalise it. Should we also make rejections(from jobs/relationships/etc) illegal because some of the people who receive said rejection commit suicide?

This is a straw man, I didn't cite the suicides as a reason to make child porn illegal. It's is part of the picture though.

> Also, I find it dishonest of you not to consider the people who have been unjustly jailed if not for distributing at least for possession of CP, some of which have committed suicide.

Oh yeah, how dishonest of me not to consider people punished for possessing child porn. Do you hear yourself?

> > The fact that the justice system makes even viewing this material illegal is not for nothing, but comes from a proper understanding of how child porn victimizes people.

> Just like how the justice system in most countries until recently illegalised homosexuality and sex before marriage, right?

No, this is absolutely not the same thing. Straw man again. Practicing homosexuality doesn't victimize people. Sex before marriage doesn't victimize people. Watching child porn does victimize people, namely the ones being exploited.

[Darth_Hobo]

You do realize that FBI and similar state agencies shared CP online to catch people? So, did FBI victimize children and should face appropriate punishment (the same as other people who are sharing it)?

And about your last point: FBI and other people who investigate it absolutely do watch CP. Again - who is the victim in this specific case? Does children somehow not victimized when "good" people watch CP?

[buisi]

It is worse than that. In one case, the Australian Police kept a site up for an entire year (the site is said to have had as many as million accounts, although account numbers often don't map precisely to actual people) to try to collect evidence on people.

A lot of these sites only tend to stay up for a year or two before they get shutdown or get skittish, so keeping it up for a year is very significant and aids in the proliferation of this content.

They also deliberately circulated quite a few relatively uncirculated images to try to gain their trust after they took over the site.

[buisi]

> This idea is laughable. Do you honestly believe just not telling the victims the material is out there will convince them the material isn't out there?

I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing with your viewpoints, but your logic here seems weird. In that particular case, nothing would ever convince them that people aren't looking at it, even if they weren't.

You can never really tell if someone is or isn't doing something on the internet, especially with the proliferation of strong encryption.