[IllogicalLogic]

So China is publicly announcing that it's deploying what the Five Eyes have deployed in democratic countries under the cover of darkness across the world (while lying to their citizens, who have a constitutional right to know)?

Points for transparency.

[fouric]

Factually incorrect. None of the Five Eyes do any sort of mass decryption even remotely similar to what is mentioned in the article.

[IllogicalLogic]

You have proof that no mass decryption (or attempts) occur/have occurred?

I'm not as optimistic. History shows human nature tends to work as we expect when US economic/security interests are involved...

https://wikileaks.org/nsa-france/selectors.html https://wikileaks.org/nsa-germany/selectors.html https://wikileaks.org/nsa-japan/selectors.html

[pembrook]

IllogicalLogic, these discussions have more value when we focus on the topic at hand, not devolve into whataboutism. Your comparison is both a mischaracterization and off-topic.

[MiSeRyDeee]

I don't see any mischaracterization since Five Eyes was for exactly the same purpose.

[IllogicalLogic]

Not whataboutism, if the case can be made that 350 million people need protection then the case can more easily be made for 1.3 billion people.

Wikileaks also showed us that US agencies were engaged in industrial espionage, stealing German/French industrial technology using the Five Eyes tools and giving it to GE & friends ...

The problem is, my more "reality-based" framing destroys the "China is uniquely evil" narrative that western media/gov is pushing everywhere for primarily economic reasons.