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by pjmlp 2445 days ago
You still had a choice, nowadays being a Web Developer is almost a synonym for Chrome Developer and it was the IE hatting crowd that made it happen.
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You must have lived in a different past than me.

IE was far more dominant, and browsers actually had meaningful differences back then. Porting CSS written for IE to Firefox could easily take 50% of the initial implementation time, if not 100%. Today, it's not completely uncommon to have something developed on Chrome working in Firefox and Safari without any changes.

And the most significant problem with IE was obviously that it wasn't FOSS, and was only available for Windows. Neither applies to Chrome.

Yeah all those Web sites that are Chrome only must be a product of my imagination.

It doesn't matter if Chrome is open-source, when it is technically owned by a single corporation.

Update your beliefs.. Microsoft is now a major contributor to chromium.
[citation needed]

They are now a major user of chromium, and may contribute, but they do not have any say in what goes into chromium. That is still controlled by google employees. If said google employees do not like microsoft patches, they will reject the proposed changes, and microsoft can then at best push them into their own fork.

Google rejecting Microsoft changes has not yet been observed, it could happen.

Most people think that Google agenda could conflict with Microsoft agendas. I have read a LOT of chromium issues. I can tell you that the higher management at Google does not dictate chromium changes as they are too technical for them. The truth is, except for maybe a few exceptions, chromium evolve through the decisions of engineers that want to create the best possible product. They are not different to Firefox or edge engineers. Thus they should collaborate pretty well and a Google and Microsoft team should not have more "conflicts" than between two Google internal teams. As you said for the exceptions, Microsoft can maintain a fork, it's still order of magnitude more economic and smart than to constantly duplicate work in a redundant browser (firefox)

You can see a list of their merged pull requests here: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/q/author:*.microsof...

BTW I really wonder when Apple will switch back to chromium.

>I can tell you that the higher management at Google does not dictate chromium changes as they are too technical for them.

Tell that to the webRequest API that ablockers use.

>As you said for the exceptions, Microsoft can maintain a fork, it's still order of magnitude more economic and smart than to constantly duplicate work in a redundant browser (firefox)

Chrome is the redundant browser. Firefox was here first.

I seriously can't wrap my head around why anyone decided it would somehow be 'okay' to use googles web browser. Because unless you are a Pollyanna coolaid drinker you know where that's going to lead us.
Except Chrome is still far below the user-base of IE in its heyday. And the most "valuable" users are all on mobile Safari. So it still makes sense to at least test with that.
Mobile Safari is only relevant on first tier countries.

Plenty of web sites aren't for international consumption.

"the most "valuable" users are all on mobile Safari"

Not at all, as only 20% of the people using mobile browsers at all, are using Safari.

To be accurate: Safari has 20% of mobile browser marketshare. And 5% of desktop browser marketshare. So globally they are <20%
Yes but these users account for a very disproportionate amount of spending.
Doesn't matter, chrome started to ignore standards and dictate their understanding.
You didn't have a choice. That was the whole problem!
Well, shortly you won't have a choice anymore.

And there was a choice, back then alternatives like Opera, did actually ship their own engine.

We're not talking about choice for users. This is about choice for developers.
Likewise I had Netscape, Opera, IE on my development environment.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Choice of which browsers to develop for. You had to support IE6 back in the day. Now you have to support Chrome. When they do weird shit you can't say "well that browser is broken", you have to work around it.

Surely most people here are old enough to remember the days of IE6? It wasn't that long ago.