[onlyyimte]

It's only a matter of time until PyTorch will also dominate industry.

It's always like this.

Think how Ubuntu took over the server market because amateurs were preferring it instead of Redhat/CentOS. And when they became professionals or were in a position to decide, they also put Ubuntu on the server because this is what they knew best.

[barbecue_sauce]

When did Ubuntu take over the server market?

[olavgg]

With the introduction of cloud

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Canonica...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/42204979@N00/5266983786/sizes/... https://thecloudmarket.com/stats

[jniedrauer]

I'm not sure that's a great example, given that AWS mostly runs on RHEL-based OSs and Debian is still preferred for Docker. Ubuntu did not "take over the server market".

[terranoct]

RHEL is popular for solutions like running a datacenter mostly because it has a nice enterprise support story. It's what the E in that acronym is for, after all. Ubuntu, meanwhile, is quite popular among us mere mortals who have to fix our own boxen.

Debian is popular for Docker images exactly because many of the people trying Docker were already familiar with Ubuntu. Those users quickly ended up wanting smaller images, making Debian an obvious thing to try out since Ubuntu is basically Debian with bells on.

Ubuntu fought a sea of distros and came out as what's very nearly an industry standard, if not an official one. The 90s were a fricking mess by comparison. Slackware on floppies.

(And now I need "Slackware on floppies" dubbed over the "Jesus wept" scene from Hellraiser.)

[jniedrauer]

> Ubuntu fought a sea of distros and came out as what's very nearly an industry standard, if not an official one.

I think you may be living in a bubble. I've been running devops for various shops for half a decade and I've only once used Ubuntu, because it was already being used by an acquisition.

I won't deny that Ubuntu is popular. It's certainly got the lions share of the desktop market. But there is no such consensus in the server market.

[Sammi]

Come on guys. You're fighting anecdote with anecdote.

Here's some date I could dig up by a couple of minutes googling:

https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux/all/all https://w3techs.com/technologies/history_details/os-linux

Other sibling comments link to more.

[bananocurrency]

https://blog.digitalocean.com/where-do-droplets-form/ I don't think this feels like a bubble.

[jeffnappi]

But it was so much fun running Slackware servers and compiling our own minimal kernels

make menuconfig

[cerberusss]

Goshdarn, I totally forgot about make menuconfig! Good memories.

[rlpb]

Can you provide any evidence to support that claim?

Here's a report that suggests the exact opposite:

"Don't let the revenue numbers lead you to thinking Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) is more popular than Ubuntu. By The Cloud Market's Jan. 8, 2019 count of Amazon Web Services (AWS) instances, Ubuntu is used in 314,492 instances, more than any other operating system, while RHEL is used in 22,072 instances."

https://www.zdnet.com/article/inside-ubuntus-financials/

Disclosure: I work for Canonical, but as an engineer; I'm not in marketing or anything and that's not my job. But I do get the impression that Ubuntu is way ahead in general use in the cloud, and is also the generally used base for Docker images (I don't immediately see how to get that statistic out of Docker Hub). I didn't think this statement was controversial.

[jniedrauer]

A more apt comparison would be Ubuntu vs CentOS (and amazon linux and all the other repackaged RHELs). Ubuntu definitely has more market share, but the OP implied that it was "just the way things are done now" which is not true.

The last data seems to be about 3 years old, and Ubuntu was about 1.5-2x the CentOS/amazon linux share. I suspect that's changing with the release of amazon linux 2, but there's no data to back that up.

Amazon itself primarily uses a RHEL based distro, which is what I meant originally.