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by persistent 2443 days ago
Not sure there is enough evidence in support of those claims about Tesla. Tesla doesn't collect anywhere near enough data from its customer fleet to support the kind of massive training being claimed. In contrast Waymo and Cruise vehicles are regularly in the depot where each car offloads terabytes of data. Who has the bigger training set?
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revscat 2443 days ago
Tesla routinely gets data from the fleet and analyzes it. Here is Andre Karpathy speaking on this subject:

https://youtu.be/Ucp0TTmvqOE

1:49:30. I’m on mobile otherwise I would link to the exact spot.

Tesla has tens (hundreds?) of thousands of vehicles on the road right now that are continuously feeding training data back to Tesla. What evidence is there that this is insufficient, or even deficient? From what I can gather, Waymo has limited testing geofenced to Phoenix, Arizona. Tesla has cars all over the world with autopilot, all providing training data.

I don’t see a reason for your conviction that Waymo has an advantage here.

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losvedir 2443 days ago
Unless Teslas are uploading gigabytes every night over your home WiFi (do they?) they're limited by a 4G connection.

So you have a lot more Teslas sending a lot less data each. I'm not sure which company has the richer training set.

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jodrellblank 2442 days ago
they're limited by a 4G connection

Are they?

- they could store data to be collected in bulk when the car is in the garage for maintenance or servicing or repair.

- Superchargers could include fast data transfer in their cable for cars using them.

- Superchargers could include a wireless data collection from cars sopped at or near them.

- Cars could connect to public wifi to upload data at any car park, any place, any time.

- Tesla could have vehicles driving around, like Google mapping cars, collecting data wirelessly from nearby Teslas.

I don't know if they do any of them, but none are unreasonable things for companies of 2019 to think about doing.

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tigershark 2443 days ago
Hundreds of thousands. The 200k mark only in US was achieved more than 1 year ago, and it triggered the phase out of the incentives. For the last couple of quarters Tesla has been delivering almost 100k vehicles so it won’t be that long to reach the 1 million mark globally.
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xvector 2443 days ago
On top of this, Waymo has the full force of Google’s CAPTCHA behind it.

It is already full self driving in some cities, whereas my Tesla cannot even detect stop signs.

I love my Tesla but I harbor no illusions about the eventual victor of this self-driving race.

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