[olliej]

Um, because under Obama ICE wasn’t putting kids in cages? Because it wasn’t withholding bedding? It wasn’t separating families and then “accidentally” losing track of the children? Children weren’t dying while in jail away from their parents? They weren’t denied food and clean water?

Should I go on?

[trothamel]

Note that according to Snopes, Obama's ICE was putting kids in cages.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigran...

[commandlinefan]

> it wasn’t withholding bedding?

They actually tried to buy extra beds and one of the “do no business with ICE” companies refused to sell to them, so they ended up with fewer beds: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/26/wayfair-draws-backlash-calls...

[olliej]

No.

I didn't say not providing bedding, I said removing existing bedding. Because ICE believes in collective punishment of children, and considers removing bedding to be acceptable. [1,2]

Here's a question for pro-ICE people: if another country started rounding up and separating American families, then lost track of the children, would you support those actions as well? Or does it only apply to people with the wrong skin color?

[1] https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/inside-a-texas-buildi... [2] https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1142540367797116929

[jki275]

The Obama admin did exactly what this administration has done. You just didn't care because of identity politics.

[DarmokJalad1701]

Did the Obama admin imprison legal asylum seekers and separate them from their kids, and then lose track of said kids?

[jki275]

People who illegally cross the border are not legal asylum seekers. Those who do so with children they are trafficking are even more of an issue, and you know this is happening.

[letmeinhere]

It sounds like your answer is "no, but I actually approve of the new cruelty"

[jki275]

No, the answer is I don’t approve of silly hyperbole that only exists because you don’t like the current head of state. Where were you when the last administration was doing the exact same thing? You didn’t care then, because you liked that administration. If you were intellectually honest you’d have protested then rather than waiting for your handlers to tell you it was time to make noise.

[letmeinhere]

DarmokJalad1701 pointed out specific new behavior that this administration enacted as official policy, and you then justified it.

We agree that you don't approve of ~silly hyperbole~ other people having convictions, but you made it very clear that you _do_ approve of family separations, but don't think that anybody should be criticized for it if other bad things ever happened before.

As for "[my] handlers telling [me] it was time to make noise," who is really bringing the silly hyperbole? What is even the conspiracy here? Are we all in the back pocket of big-Gitlab or something?

[sascha_sl]

That is untrue, and you're saying that in a thread with references refuting your claim.

Fuck your alternative facts.

[jki275]

Even Snopes says it's true.

[sascha_sl]

No, they said one aspect was true. Not the same thing.

[jki275]

It’s true and you know it. You just don’t want to believe it.