[devoply]

US was already shown to be behind in 5g, China is already caught up. Heck they even helped AMD catch up to Intel, and see what sort of major success that was ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent... ) . These moves are there to slow it down. But China can make other moves like moving tech knowledge from one company to others and play all sorts of games. Fact is knowledge despite what Americans want the world to believe, replicates and distributes powers in ways which are very difficult to stop. If China is not building it, they will move the knowledge to some ally which can build it. It's almost guaranteed at this point that we are already living in a bifurcated world where US will need to manufacture everything in other countries than China. And yet China's manufacturing edge is not going anywhere. They can clone any US product anyone else is producing and sell it to their trading bloc.

[wideasleep1]

"US was already shown to be behind in 5g, China is already caught up."

So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe.

"Heck they even helped AMD catch up to Intel, and see what sort of major success that was ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent.... ) "

All I see here is an agreement for AMD to transfer technology to China, for x86 chips destined for chinese-only server market. Further, that agreement appears stalled, since AMD will NOT transfer their Zen2 technologies in this agreement. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-china-x86-ip-licen...

"And yet China's manufacturing edge is not going anywhere. They can clone any US product anyone else is producing and sell it to their trading bloc."

More like their manufacturing may not be going anywhere...their market has been shrinking by leaps and bounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G#Surveillance_concerns

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_over_Chinese_involvem...

They can have Iran, AFAIC.

[greatpatton]

I don't know but from a science point of view all our last research are based on paper coming from people at China companies (Alibaba, Tencent), that currently have the edge in our specific domain (machine learning). So yes in domains that mainly require your brain they have caught up if not ahead.

[yorwba]

Machine learning is a wide field. Could you give some examples of research you've done based on papers that came out of Alibaba, Tencent, etc.? I'm curious.

[greatpatton]

of course ML is a wide field but for instance these paper were quite relevant to our work:

* https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.03903.pdf * https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8710885 but they are numerous, and the work done at Tsinghua University is very interesting

By the way down voting a comment based on facts is rather silly...

[yorwba]

Thanks for the links.

By the way, the site guidelines exhort us to

Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

[missosoup]

Alibaba has an edge in machine learning? The CEO of Alibaba is palpably clueless about anything relating to do with machine learning and I haven't seen any evidence that anyone else at the helm of the org is any better.

Watch Elon Musk try really hard not to cringe at the shit Jack Ma says on the topic of ML.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3lUEnMaiAU

[ishtiaque96]

Daniel zhang is the ceo, get your facts right and daniel is way savy in tech than jack ma.

[missosoup]

Jack Ma stepped down just a month ago and was CEO at the time of the interview. He's completely clueless and he was at the helm. Those are facts.

[primordialsoup]

> So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe.

Do you have sources from non-"mainstream media" that indicate otherwise?

[wideasleep1]

Presently, I'd consider The Verge to be mainstream, but Nilay was on point with his skepticism: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leade...

I think one could produce articles supporting either view quite easily, which them becomes a task of separating the agendas of its authors.

[thawaway1837]

I’m pretty sure the poster you replied to was talking not about deployment of 5G but the fact that Huawei is supposed to be far ahead of its non Chinese peers when it comes to 5G tech. That’s basically why the US has to ban the supply of tech to them, because otherwise nearly every 5G deployment would be Huawei.

[Teever]

Is that the case or is it that the Chinese government is subsidizing the 5g products that Huawei makes so that western countries will purchasing them?

[devoply]

Yeah it's a national security concern because if someone is leading so heavily they will destroy your lead and then you will never catch up. Just look at what happened to so many European tech companies.

[NicoJuicy]

China did not help AMD.

AMD partnered with a Chinese partner and produced /knowledge transfered an older chipstack.

Ps. Everyone can manufacture, so not sure what your mean with edge. There are a lot centralized/easy to be found in China, that's true.

[ReptileMan]

>US was already shown to be behind in 5g

Since 5g is technology with not much utility that nobody but the telcos want, that is probably wise on their part.