[swerner]

HIView was up to date and documented, and there were WWDC sessions teaching developers why they should move to HIView and how to do it. Likewise, Apple provided documentation about how to port your Carbon application to 64 bit Carbon. Maxon reportedly even had a 64bit Carbon version of Cinema 4D ready to ship when Apple suddenly announced that they would abandon 64bit Carbon - telling developers to disregard the 64bit Carbon they were still shipping in betas.

[Klonoar]

Yeah, no, this really wasn't the case.

Toolkits that used HIView/HIWindow looked very out of date compared to proper Cocoa implementations (Qt, contrary to popular belief, wasn't really "native" for the longest time since they did this - it's part of why it always looked off).

There are very valid reasons to be frustrated with Apple, but the writing has been on the wall for this stuff for years now. Nobody should be complaining at this point.

[mrpippy]

Exactly. In the days of WWDC 2003/2004 there were numerous separate Cocoa/Carbon sessions, and the Carbon message was to go fully to HIToolbox and Carbon Events.

Carbon NIBs even existed, although the format (XML) and concept (definitely not “freeze-dried objects”) were totally different from anything Cocoa. Xcode 4 and up couldn’t edit or view Carbon NIBs, which made that tech deprecation pretty clear.