[Mikeb85]

Against non-pros at a cash game broadcast on the internet. Odds are half the people he's playing against are out of their comfort zone, playing higher stakes than they should just to be on a stream.

Not to mention there's no buy-in limit on these stakes, BB/100 means nothing if they're playing above the expected stakes (happens often if the biggest stakes are relatively low).

Again, none of what you're saying is actually proof.

[MFLoon]

There are plenty of other pros who have played on Stones Live, who Postle has repeatedly gotten the better of.

Even if the average hands are playing 2x or 4x above nominal stakes, that's still an outrageously high, many std-dev above elite, win rate.

Yea, it's hard to prove things generally, but I don't really feel like the standard of "proof" matters here. I'm 99.99999...% sure the guy is cheating. I'm not saying put him in jail because of it, but definitely raise the alarm and don't play with him. Would you play with him on the Stone RFID table?

[Mikeb85]

I've played tons of games against whales so yes, I'd play in his games. That being said, often it's +EV to simply stay out of pots with pros and merely prey on the other players.

Admittedly I haven't seen a ton of his hands, but just watched a few, it's not that unusual. One used as 'proof' of cheating where he plays low connectors and hits a pair with a draw to a straight, then he bluffs off a passive player with an over-pair. If he actually had the info wouldn't he fold? Dunno, seems to me he's just a pro preying on fish. His play is pretty standard for good cash players. It's his opponents that seem unusually bad, but whom observers are overrating.

[MFLoon]

Watch some more; here are some damning highlights:

- Bluffs river with 9 high, gets check raised by 6 high, 3bet jams for barely a min raise, it gets through obviously

- Check folds TPTK on the flop on a dry board when other player has a set

- Check folds top pair and a gutshot when other player has nut straight

- And here are some more https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/10/10-suspicious-mike-po...

[Mikeb85]

None of these were super convincing. I did however eventually get around to watching a bunch of Joe Ingram's content and a stream last night, now I'm more convinced. One hand that had me convinced more than any here was a board that was 899T and forgot the fourth card (inconsequential). Anyhow, Postle has 8s full and on the river, instead of check-raising leading with a feeler bet, or any other kind of action you'd expect when you have 3rd nuts but a monster, he simply check folds. No way any normally aggro player actually check folds a boat in a cash game.

Also, Postle's mannerisms and interviews are the most damning IMO. He's arrogant, cocky and can't explain any of his lines, not to mention has said some questionable things that actually suggest cheating.

Reading this thread at first I thought maybe he was a Victor Blom kind of character; loose aggro playing against passive amateurs (shoving 54 would give that impression). But no, he's a fucking moron who basically is giving himself away by folding monster hands or playing weak hands strongly post-flop then needling opponents and bragging about it in interviews.

[indigodaddy]

Glad you watched the content and came back to reply. And if you watch the non-god mode sessions (most of 2018), you will see a completely different type of player, and all of the physical tells (touching the hat and gazing down at crotch while pretending to look at cards) and cheating indications are no longer present, and he never gets into the type of hand situations and/or crazy moves and perfect-for-all-the-hands decisions he was making in God mode.

[MFLoon]

I feel like my examples are just as convincing as the boat over boat: they're all theoretically unsound lines that no winning player would take unless they had x-ray vision, and if you claim you would x/f TPTK on the flop because of your sick live reads I'd like to play with you. But whatever, glad you saw the light I guess.

[newfangle]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[Mikeb85]

Great comeback. Have you ever played at these stakes, live, or do you just play NL50 online and watch Twitch streamers?

[newfangle]

Yes I play 10/20 live multiple times a week. Explain to me how a winning reg would ever consider calling a 5 bet all in with 54o and then fold KK pre to a 4 bet?

[Mikeb85]

Calling an all in with 54, what are the stack sizes? How many players? 54 has better hand equity 3 or 4 ways than heads up.

As for KK, what's the hand history like? Again, heads up or multiway? Might have a read? What are the bet sizes and stack sizes?

[newfangle]

Clearly you have not done your due diligence if you dont even know the most famous hand. It was a 3 way all in and he called with 54o and both players happened to have AK

Im not wasting any more time talking to you and i stand by my previous statement that you dont know what you are talking about.

[Mikeb85]

Yes, calling 54o 3 way is loose but not crazy. Maybe I've just played too much PLO over the years.

Also, Fedor Holz once won a major tournament shoving a similar hand a few years back.