[Redoubts]

> Perhaps the real loss was what happened after the US spent over $1T to spread democracy

Yes, this is the event we're talking about. Not the one in the 80s.

[throwaway_law]

Well the Taliban is no longer in power, removing them from power was the purpose of our use of force and military operations in Afghanistan starting in 2001...again when it comes to war "winning" is kind of in the eye of the beholder.

FYI we spent over $1T to spread democracy in Afghanistan pre-2001.