[Latty]

Which is pretty crazy. My experience as someone from the UK is EU regulation has consistently made my life better.

The big thing that sticks out for me is mobile phones: before EU regs, every manufacturer and phone variant had a different charging cable and roaming charges were insane.

Likewise, for all the hate it got here, GDPR has been amazing from my perspective. It was rare before to have a website that actually let you delete anything, it was just "deactivate your account" where they kept all your data. Now most sites offer true deletion.

Meanwhile, the public got sold on Brexit with a consistent diet of rubbish articles from the Mail and friends about bent bananas being banned.

[nutjob2]

EU regulations cut both ways, but so many are good:

- EU phone roaming makes travel much less stressful, independent of the cost factor, which at $0 is also great.

- EU immigration rules for 3rd country partners means it only requires about 3 or 4 hours work and 51 euros in total and only proof of 6 months co-habitation.

- EU mandated ESC and TPMS in cars means my bottom of the range Kia Rio had two really valuable features while maintaining a really low price.

On the other hand:

- I can't get a mortgage because my income is not denominated in euros because others have been burnt by cross currency loans

You gain real benefits but lose flexibility.

[baq]

> - I can't get a mortgage because my income is not denominated in euros because others have been burnt by cross currency loans

this isn't the correct thread to discuss this but i'll bite - it isn't that others were burnt, it's that the banks were stupid enough to actually loan out as much money in a currency that people hadn't had income in and when the inevitable came, it was the banks that had bigger problems. i don't want the bank to lose my money if you and a few thousand others suddenly default on their mortgage at the same time.

[AlexTWithBeard]

On the other hand, US does not regulate roaming costs, but Google Fi and TMobile offer dirt cheap roaming in many countries.

[laumars]

The problem was roaming charges in Europe weren't always cheap, often required separate SIM cards and it was a pain to do. Doubly so when you consider how the different countries in mainland Europe are effectively borderless.

The EU only steps in when corporations have already failed to regulate themselves.

[w1nst0nsm1th]

Corporations don't regulate themself. Why would they choose to regulate themself if that means higher cost or less margin or less business opportunities (like selling assault weapons to civilian population) ?

Market can bring prices down if competing corporations in the same sector don't agree to set prices for the same range of services of products. That's it.

Self-regulation is conservative non-sense.

[M2Ys4U]

Self-regulation _can_ work... if the state is standing there with a big stick willing to use it if the market doesn't regulate itself well.

As a case study, take advertising in the UK.

The Advertising Standards Authority is a Big Deal. It can ban advertising on TV, in print, on billboards and online. Its decisions regularly make the headlines.[0]

It also has no statutory basis, it's a private limited liability company, and they receive no money from government.[1]

[0] An example from today, here's a news article about a ruling by the ASA concerning a tweet sent out by Burger King: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49895800

[1] https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00733214

[laumars]

In the general sense you're right however I think you're drifting into a philosophical point. Normally it makes more sense to let businesses have a certain amount of freedom to operate and only step in when necessary. The hard part is agreeing where "necessary" is. For example EU tends to have a different perspective to the US on when industries should be regulated.

[shawabawa3]

US telecoms costs are insane though. Paying less than $50 is basically impossible for a decent amount of data (5+GB). Google Fi for example is $70 + tax

In the UK, it's hard to spend more than £20/month (for sim only at least)

[atombender]

You can get much cheaper plans in the U.S.

Mint [1], is $20/mo for unlimited data (throttled after 8GB), using the T-Mobile network. You get a discount for committing to a time period such as 1 year.

Visible [2] is $40/mo for "unlimited everything" (data, calls, text). This is Verizon's low-cost product on their own network.

Simple [3] is $40/mo for 15 GB, also using T-Mobile. You're throttled to 2G after that, though.

These are MVNOs, which are resellers that don't own their own networks. Traffic is deprioritized compared to the parent network's "native" customers. In practice, you might not notice at all, depending on how you use it. Deprioritization really only happens during congestion. During rush hour on the NYC subway might be a time you'd be affected, for example.

[1] https://www.mintmobile.com

[2] https://www.visible.com

[3] https://www.simplemobile.com

[AlexTWithBeard]

Extra $40 per month is not insane. But indeed it's higher than in Europe.

Partly that could be explained by lower population density.

Also services like Visible started to appear. They offer unlimited talk and data for $40.

[vzidex]

I don't think lower population density explains it fully, for example Australia has extremely reasonable phone plans - you can get 15GB data/unlimited talk/unlimited text for AUD$55/month (USD$37/month) [1], and it gets even cheaper if you get 12 months up front [2].

[1] https://www.vodafone.com.au/plans/state/sim/month-to-month/

[2] https://www.vodafone.com.au/plans/state/sim/12-month/

[shawabawa3]

> Extra $40 per month is not insane

Maybe "insane" was a bad word choice. But it's more than triple the price (£20 is $25, not $30, and $70 excludes tax)

[distances]

> Partly that could be explained by lower population density.

I really don't think so. Look at e.g. Finland.

The simplest explanation is real competition via virtual operators.

[TylerE]

Sprint has Unlimited Data for $70/month.

[rezeroed]

Trinkets.