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by strenholme 2459 days ago
There is a sexual harassment allegation from 1985:

>>>When I was a teen freshman, I went to a buffet lunch at an Indian restaurant in Central Square with a graduate student friend and others from the AI lab. I don't know if he and I were the last two left, but at a table with only the two of us, Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he'd kill himself if I didn't go out with him.

I felt bad for him and also uncomfortable and manipulated. I did not like being put in that position — suddenly responsible for an "important" man. What had I done to get into this situation? I decided I could not be responsible for his living or dying, and would have to accept him killing himself. I declined further contact.

He was not a man of his word or he'd be long dead.

Betsy S., Bachelor's in Management Science, '85<<<

Source: https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-appendi...

I have seen in this very same thread other people saying there are accusations, but that the people in question do not want to come forward.

Another secondhand (third-hand?) accusation of sexual harassment:

>>>He made overt sexual advances to women at work [in the late 1990s at VA Linux]. One young woman who worked next to me was so upset from his multiple advances that she took it to senior management. She was able to deal with the problem without taking the issue outside the company. I don’t know the details, but she was given advanced warning anytime Stallman was headed over so that she could leave.<<<

Source: https://daringfireball.net/2019/09/richard_stallmans_disgrac...

Personally, I still stay it was a witch hunt to force Stallman to resign, but if there were substantial sexual harassment allegations from this century [1] and a reasonably fair hearing, I would consider it fair to make him go.

[1] This will make me a heretic among some #MeToo advocates, but I think sexual harassment allegations need to have a reasonable statue of limitations. I don’t think people should be dragged through the mud for something they did 20, 30, 40, or even 50 years ago. [2] [3] [4]

[2] Tom Brokaw was dragged through the mud for allegedly sexually harassing two women over 20 years ago, as well as trying to kiss a woman (who was not his wife, but that bit doesn’t generally matter with the #MeToo crowd) over 50 years ago.

[3] Nolan Bushnell was dragged through the mud for supposedly having a hostile work environment at Atari over 40 years ago, but not one women who worked at Atari when Bushnell led it has come forward to complain, and multiple women who were there, including Loni Reeder, came forward and said Bushnell was very kind and inclusive towards women.

[4] Within reason. Many jurisdictions do not have a statute of limitations for rape; but asking someone out on a date when they are not interested is very different from sexual assault.

2 comments

Richard Stallman was never on VA Linux's board.

Eric Raymond was.

Gruber is quoting a third-party letter which appears to be unreliable.

> > Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he'd kill himself if I didn't go out with him. > I declined further contact.

This is not sexual harassment, there is no allegation, it was never filed.

This story was never confirmed, BTW.

But even if it happened, what's so bad about it?

That he's weird?

When it happened to me I offered support, I did not go to the police.

> but that the people in question do not want to come forward.

Stallman is not a well know powerful man that could pose a real danger to anybody.

He's not an Epstein that traffic girls.

> He made overt sexual advances to women at work [in the late 1990s at VA Linux

Who didn't in the 90s?

There were literally cocaine addicts running companies, snorting from their desks at the 24th floor in Manhattan and we are talking about Stallman making an alleged third hand advance?

Of course him being him, not Brad Pitt, and coming out weird when he tries to be friendly, scared women away.

Meanwhile the like of Epstein trafficked girls and were considered "highly respectable business men" because they dressed sharply, were good looking and moved a ton of money, the kind of money that could buy you an island.

While Stallman slept on a matress in his office .

It is hard to recall how bad the 90s were for those who never lived them, how bad the influence of the new born "global style industry" was and how not conforming to some social norm made you automatically an outcast.

There were movies like "Thrashin'" were the best skaters in the world (Caballero, Tony Hawk, Tony Alva) played the bad boys and the good guy of the time was Josh Brolin [1]

Now think about Josh Brolin in the 90s, the epitome of what a man should be according to showbiz industry targeting young people, and imagine being Richard Matthew Stallman.

Hell, there were even movies about nerds and they were all depicted as ugly, mean and with a bad hygiene.

Of course Snotty became my favourite!

[1] the good guy according to 80s and 90s culture http://ingridrichter.info/cheese/graphics/T/thrashin/brolin_...