[throwaway122379]

Great post! You touched on something there thats been bugging me last few years, testing is non existent in devops/sre world so developers who hate testing and do not understand it is core to good engineering seem to gravitate towards devops roles as they can hack their way thru their day all while creating tons of tech debt.

[clvx]

Testing is basic in devops/SRE. How are you going to ensure reliability if you cannot test the shit out of it?

The issue is there’s no formal tool or practices for testing in ops. DSL languages are limited forcing you to use several for different kind of scenarios. At the end you need to rely in a real programming language to parse different format files and ensuring your variables are correct. I think developing software for operations is exciting which is going to mature with time. Kubernetes(and its CRD) is a step forward

[p_l]

Chef had great support for automated testing. We also generally did a lot of testing on other tools.

Sure, things like ansible lack proper testing support, but that doesn't mean that all of the profession doesn't test.

[sargram01]

> The issue is there’s no formal tool or practices for testing in ops.

There is though, it’s called writing normal software. Kubernetes can be framework to build on, with actual developers who design from high level logic down through to the implementation.