[simion314]

So Google should be allowed to grab your content and put it on their page - but if you make a video of yourself and put it on youtube and a car with the stereo appeared for a few seconds in it your video is claimed. It is like all the laws that make big companies money are good and the ones that make the same big companies less money are bad.

[cromwellian]

Google is not the one issuing takedown requests on YouTube for music in the background.

This whole concept of a small sample of something violating copyright IMHO is the death of culture, it's excessively injecting chilling effects and barriers into information sharing. We went through this in the 80s with Hip-Hop artists and sampling.

I mean, if my son quotes a paragraph out of a French news website for a term paper, and that paper is published online, is it now a copyright violation? When does text summarization down to 2-3 sentences violate copyright? How far do we take this?

The publishers business models are collapsing, but their foray into hyper monetization and litigiousness surrounding any use of what they publish, if anything, will only serve to speed up they're demise.

We have to find alternate models to support local journalism, and this ain't gonna help.

[simion314]

I know Google is not the one asking to take those down but they are actualy the ones that made the algorithm , but taking those videos down is based on DMCA law witch is a US law pushed internationally by the big US companies.

What feels to me as hypocrisy is when US citizens accuse Europe of targeting this big US corporations with some laws where similar laws were pushed before by US, So is illegal for me to make a video clip with scenes from different movies but it should be legal for a big US company to compile snippets of text and images and put them on their page.

In my experience it happened to find the answer in that snippet and not visit the website and in other case the smaller snippet you see under the results was not to be found on the web-page that was linked

[cromwellian]

Most people I know opposed to the European laws also hate the DMCA too.

[danShumway]

Copyright law is bad, so let's all make it worse?

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.

[cameronbrown]

Hang on, the issue you have with copyright claims is made far worse by EU law..

[simion314]

How? who is affected negatively ? creators,publishers, the people in the short term or in the long term?

[cameronbrown]

Creators, long-term. EU argues we're giving creators new freedoms, but really, we're stripping the freedom to criticize, make parody and remix from all but the biggest corporations who can afford to pay the license fees.

Fair use doesn't have a legal standing in the EU right now.

[PyroLagus]

Opting out is a trivial technical matter. You could even completely opt out of their search engine indexing if you so desire.

[simion314]

I would prefer to be opt-in, like if you want to be a data source for google page for free you should opt in into it.