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> These are going to occur anyway

How on earth do you know that?

> These are ordinary problems that we adapt to.

You make it sound like we've been through this before.. When?

> The US , for example, can _eliminate_ CO2 production and those things are still going to happen.

So, we cranked up the emissions, and these things just RANDOMLY started happening at the same time? Even though our environmental models and knowledge of physics agree with our observations??

Like.. it's just MAGIC or something? What is causing it if it's not CO2?

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Climate is not static.

For example permafrost thaw - we have no idea how widespread it is. The areas we do observe have a valid, natural explanation for thaw via gas cavities. Some of these cavities get enlarged thermal-erosional piping, which can expand the cavity due to seasonal temperature changes, which can make the cavity large enough prevent re-freeze.

This isn't magic. It's science.

[ctrl-j]

Neither is my car, but something has to happen to make it move.

You addressed none of my questions. What, in your opinion, is the trigger for the shift?

Edit: You edited in the part about permafrost. I did some quick googling because I had never heard of the causal link of gas cavities causing the melt. I've only seen the papers on the melt causing gas to escape which then exposes underground cavities... Still can't find any sources on cavities causing surface temperature to rise - care to share some sources? That sounds interesting!